Godfrey (Boulogne) FitzEustace
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Godfried (Boulogne) FitzEustace (abt. 1050 - 1101)

Godfried (Godfrey) "Count of Boulogne, Duke of Lower Lorraine" FitzEustace formerly Boulogne aka de Boulogne
Born about in Brabant, Meuse, Lorraine, Francemap
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Died at about age 51 in Jerusalemmap
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"Godfrey (or Geoffrey), Count of Boulogne, Duke of Lower Lorraine, probably born earlier than the 1061 usually given, at Baisy (?), Brabant, d. Jerusalem 18 July 1100; Domesday tenant 1086 at Carshalton, Surrey; a leader of the First Crusade, elected King of Jerusalem, but took the title of Advocate of the Holy Sepulcher (as Godfrey I); succeeded by his next younger brother Baldwin, Count of Edessa, who became Baldwin I King of Jerusalem, d. 2 Apr 1118, surviving issue, if any, unknown; m. Beatrice de Mandeville, daughter of Geoffrey de Mandeville and aunt of the first Earl of Essex. (Wagner considers Godfrey, father of William (No. 24), "probably illegitimate" and not identical with the Advocate of the Holy Sepulcher." [Ancestral Roots]

Note: Leo van de Pas, in a posting to SGM, 14 Nov 1998, states that Godefroy de Boulogne, Lord of Carshalton & husband of Beatrix de Mandeville, according to ES III/4, page 621, is an illegitimate son of Estache II de Boulogne. ES is probably following the reasoning of "Wagner" mentioned above by AR. Godfrey de Bouillon [the legitimate son who was Advocate of the Holy Sepulcher], died in Jersaluem and was never married, which is why his brother Baldwin succeeded him in Jerusalem. Then Kay Allen, AG, responded to Leo by copying the extensive note printed in Ancestral Roots following the above entry, stating that AR had considered Leo/Wagner's argument and refuted it. Following is the lengthy note in Ancestral Roots, attached to line 158a-23, which Kay Allen had nicely transcribed, which I have extended (Kay had not copied the whole note) and edited:

Note [copied from Ancestral Roots]: Although the Lotharingian name, Godofred, borne by the famous leader of the First Crusade, has been transcribed into English as 'Godfrey', this is etymologically incorrect. The name is, instead, the equivalent of the name which normally appears in contemporary French or Anglo-Norman documents in such forms as "Goisfrid' and "Gauzfrid', the prototypes of modern "Geoffrey'. ...J. Horace Round (1895, p.256 [no citation given]), citing Domesday references to property held by Goisfrid, son of Count Eustace in right of his wife, daughter of Geoffrey de Mandeville, says that 'Dr. Liebermann asks whether Geoffrey's daughter was not thus 'the first wife, else unknown, of the future King of jerusalem'.' The reference is presumably to the linguistically sophisticated Anglo-Saxonist, Felix Liebermann, who would have made the equation. However, in an article published a year later, on Faramus, grandson of "Goisfrid', Round makes no mention of this identification. He had come to recognize that "Goisfrid' was the equivalent of later Geoffrey and had been informed by his friend, M.V.J. Vaillant, of Boulogne 'that the sons of Eustace are known and that Geoffrey is not among them'. What M. Vaillant should have written was that there was no Godfrey among them. However, Round accepted the testimony of his linguistically naive friend against that of Liebermann and therefore invented a non-existent bastard son, Geoffrey, of Eustace of Boulogne. The truth was later recognized by Joseph Armitage Robinson in his study of the Crispins, and by H.W.C. Davis (1913) who drew attention to the fact that Godfrey' of Jerusalem married Beatrice, daughter of Geoffrey de mandeville and aunt of the first Earl of Essex.

While the holdings of Geoffrey de Mandeville were not nearly as great as those of Eustace of Boulogne, he was a very substantial landholder in 11 counties and his daughter a suitable match for "Godfrey" who had already inherited a great deal from his maternal uncle. That De Mandeville would have alienated property in order to give his daughter in marriage to a bastard son of Count Eustace, lacking any substantial prospects, is highly unlikely.

More recently, Johnson and Cronne, good historians but poor linguists, have used Round's article to 'correct' Davis. The true identity of Geoffrey/Godfrey was recognized again by Miss Catherine Morton, who has been in touch with DHK [David H. Kelley] and with Sir Anthony Wagner on this matter. Wagner (1975, p. 253, with an unfortunate misprint) mentions the 'confusion' between 'Godfrey'and 'Geoffrey'. It was there assumed that the confusion was ancient and that Eustace's son Godofred, was genuinely a Godfrey. It should be emphasized that actually the confusion is entirely modern due to the use of 'Godfrey' to transcribe a name which is etymologically 'Geoffrey' (the Germans use 'Gottfried' both for the leader of the first crusade and for Geoffrey Plantagenet, Count of Anjou--one may regard this either as desirable consistency or doubled error).

Wagner cites the views of Stephen Runciman, a historian of the crusades, pointing out that crusader sources make no suggestion of a wife for "Godfrey' and emphasizing his chastity. However, a wife and child left in England would not necessarily have been known to such sources, nor was there anything notable in a Crusader leaving a wife behind, though certainly noteworthy if he brought a wife with him. Runciman's further suggestion that 'Godfrey' might have made some sort of 'morganatic alliance must be rejected. The concept is completely foreign to the period, save, perhaps, among the Welsh and would, in any case, hardly apply to a marriage of 'Godfrey/Geoffrey' with Beatrice de Mandeville, of a family whose status was fully comparable to his own. It is extremely unlikely that 'maritagium', the term used for Goisfrid's marriage, would be applied to a union which was in any way irregular. Runciman is looking back from the days of 'Godfrey's' greatness, rather than realistically appraising the situation at the time of his marriage.

The child left by "Godfrey" in England was William de Boulogne, bearer of one of the oldest English surnames, for William was neither Count of Boulogne nor from Boulogne. He should appear with some frequency in the English records, for his son, Faramus, held extensive estates in widely separated parts of England (Somerset, Surrey, Essex, Oxford, Buckinghamshire, Suffolk, probably Kent and Northumberland). William appears as a witness to a document of 1106 and in a couple of later documents. Perhaps he is a still-unrecognized William Fitz-Geoffrey of other documents. ..." David Humiston Kelley was the author of this line.

Sources

  • Sanctuary Holy Sepulchre: "Shortly after the conquest, Count Godfrey de Bouillon was given the title of “Advocatus”, i.e., Protector, of the Holy Sepulchre, with the implicit task of defending the Holy Sites on behalf of the Pope and Latin clergy."




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Profile gives death date 18 July 1101, biography says 18 July 1100. Biography of his brother Beudoin/Baldwin says the he arrived in Jerusalem in November 1100 and was crowned King of Jerusalem on Christmas Day 1100, succeeding his brother. Please correct the profile death year to 1100.
posted by Andrew Hill
Thanks Andrew, although I definitely think you are right and 1100 is the correct year, I would really like to find the primary source or sources that confirm this. At the moment this profile is really lacking in primary sources (along with many other medieval profiles).

I'd also completely forgotten about the discussion below where I proposed we turn this profile into the Geoffrey de Boulogne who married Beatrice de Mandeville and recreate the profile for Godfrey de Boulogne (Bouillon) who was in Jerusalem.

I'm out for the rest of the day, but might have time to look at this over the following couple of days.

posted by John Atkinson
Still needs work. If I understand correctly this is currently combining two people, Godfrey of Boullion and his illegitimate brother Geoffrey. So logically we need a new article for Geoffrey; whose name is indeed different.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
Thanks Andrew but in terms of having to change relationships on this profile, I would suggest that it remains as Geoffrey the illegitimate son. That way, we would just have to disconnect the mother, but the profiles for father, wife and son could all still remain, and the current names, at least the LNAB and Current Last name seem appropriate. Obviously the dates and biography would need to change but that would have to happen anyway.
posted by John Atkinson
Yes, that's indeed also possible. First name would then change.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
I think the SGM discussions which are influencing this article went in another direction? https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/OK0pZzIvTyg/m/lo-iMZB6FBEJ
posted by Andrew Lancaster
I see that this profile presents the old interesting but insufficiently supported speculation that Godfrey, 1st King of Jerusalem, was identical with Geoffrey de Boulogne who otherwise would be Godfrey's half-brother. This profile should be updated, augmented, and corrected by the scholarly study of Alan V. Murray, "The Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem: A Dynastic History 1099-1125" (2000), which represents the current state of the question on whether or not Godfrey, King of Jerusalem, was the same as Geoffrey de Boulogne. On pages 159-164, Murray shows from contemporary documents that, even though the names "Geoffrey" and "Godfrey" share a common origin etymologically, nevertheless by the time that Geoffrey and Godfrey lived those two names were distinct and not interchangeable -- nor is Godfrey of Bouillon's name ever rendered in medieval documents using the forms Gauzfrid, Goisfrid, or Galfrid, which were the ways "Geoffrey" was spelled in those days. Murray also adduces chronological and geographical considerations that make it improbable that Godfrey could have married an English heiress and had a son prior to becoming Duke of Lower Lotharingia and joining the First Crusade -- the chronology and geography just don't line up as they should if Godfrey and Geoffrey were one and the same.

Most fascinating, however, is Murray's suggestion (note: a suggestion, not proven) that Geoffrey may not have been a "mere bastard," but rather could have been the offspring of his father Eustace II's first marriage (or rather, attempted marriage) to the English princess Godgifu, daughter of Aethelred II the Redeless, King of England. It appears the Church dissolved and annulled that union due to consanguinity -- and if so, any children born of that unlawful marriage would have been illegitimate. As Murray says:

"If, as is likely, the marriage of Eustace II and Godgifu was one of those condemned at Rheims and presumably dissolved thereafter, it is possible that Geoffrey was the product of this union; branded as illegitimate, he was unable to succeed to Boulogne but he may well have retained sufficient status -- more so than a son of a casual union -- to have been an attractive marriage partner for the Mandevilles."

I would add that if Geoffrey were a son of the English princess Godgifu, the identity and rank of his *English* mother would have been especially attractive to the Norman family of Mandeville which had acquired vast land holdings in England. Murray also shows that identifying Geoffrey as Godgifu's son is also in agreement with the known chronology of Geoffrey and his son William.

posted by Jared Olar
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posted by Jared Olar
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posted by John Atkinson
Source: Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume I, page 465 BOULOGNE 2.

Eustache II, married (1st) before 1049 Goda Of England, widow of Dreux, (died 1035), and daughter of Aethelred II, King of England, by Emma, daughter of Richard I, Duke of Normandy. Their issue, if any, is uncertain. He married (2nd) [Saint] Ida of Verdun, daughter of Godfrey I, by his 1st wife, Doda. They had four sons, Eustache III, Godfrey, Baldwin (I) [King of Jerusalem], and William, and one daughter, Agnes. By an unidentified mistress (or mistresses), he had two illegitimate sons, Geoffrey and Eustace (I) Garnier. Eustache II, died in or before 1088. Ida C died 13 August 1113.

Thank you!

Source: Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume I, page 466 BOULOGNE 3.

Geoffrey Of Boulogne, illegitimate son, born say 1060. He married before 1084 Beatrice de Mandeville, daughter of Geoffrey de Mandeville. They had one son, William. Geoffrey Of Boulogne was living in 1086.

Thank you!

Source: Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume I, page 467 BOULOGNE 4.

William Of Boulogne, of Carshalton, Surrey, son and heir, born say 1085. Little is know of his life. He married twice, but the names of his two wives are unknown, By his first marriage, he had a son Faramus, and presumably his other children, including his younger two sons, Eustache ans Simon, and his daughter, Rohese. He witnessed a charter of his uncle, Eustache III, Count of Boulogne, in 1106. William Of Boulogne was deceased sometime before 1130. He was survived by his second wife, was living in 1130, when his son, Faramus, was accounting for her lands.

Children continued in comment below ...

Source: Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume I, page 467 BOULOGNE 4.

Children of William of Boulogne, by _____:

i. Faramus Of Boulogne
ii. Rohese Of Boulogne, married Richard De Lucy, Knt., of Chipping Ongar, Essex, Justiciar of England.

Thank you!

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for settling once and for all that the "Geoffrey de Boulogne" - supposed illegitimate son of Eustace II - is a myth and that William de Boulogne's father was GODFREY OF BOUILLON (or, should I say, GEOFFREY OF BOUILLON). I have been back and forth on this subject, and had been fairly recently convinced "once and for all" by Wikipedia that William was the son of Godfrey's brother. THANK YOU for proving otherwise. I am a descendant of his, so this makes a difference in my ancestry.
Alan V. Murray has shown in his 2000 scholarly study "The Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem: A Dynastic History 1099-1125" that Godfrey's older half-brother Geoffrey de Boulogne is no myth -- Godfrey and Geoffrey were distinct, and Godfrey, King of Jerusalem, never married. See my longer comment elsewhere on this profile page.

It should be kept in mind that David Kelley's arguments in support of the conjecture that Godfrey, Defender of the Holy Sepulchre, was the same as the Geoffrey de Boulogne who married Beatrice de Mandeville do not at all "prove" that Godfrey and Geoffrey are identical. Rather, his arguments aimed at eliminating objections to the conjecture so that the conjecture could be considered a possibility. Thus, IF Kelley's arguments were correct, then Godfrey and Geoffrey MAY have been identical.

However, as I stated, Murray has shown that Kelley's arguments were incorrect. There is no compelling evidence that Godfrey and Geoffrey were identical, but there is evidence indicating that they were two separate persons, and then we have the medieval primary sources which all agree that Godfrey never married and which are silent on him ever having any children.

posted by Jared Olar
edited by Jared Olar

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