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Thibault (Blois) Champagne (abt. 1010 - 1089)

Thibault (Theobald III-I) "Count of Blois" Champagne formerly Blois aka Meaux, Troyes
Born about in Blois, Orléanais, Francemap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married about 1045 (to 1048) in Francemap [uncertain]
Husband of — married before 1061 in Francemap [uncertain]
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Died at about age 79 in Épernay, Bourgogne, Francemap
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Profile last modified | Created 18 Feb 2011
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Biography

Thibaut de Blois was the son of Eudes II Comte de Blois and his second wife Ermengarde d'Auvergne.[1] He was born about 1010.[1]

He succeeded his father in 1037 as Thibaut III Comte de Blois, de Chartres, de Châteaudun, de Meaux, de Sancerre et de Troyes.[1]

Thibaut married firstly, as her first husband, Gersende du Maine, daughter of Heribert I "Euigilans Canis/Eveille-chien" Comte du Maine & his wife.[1] However, he repudiated her in 1048.[1]

Thibaut then married, in 1050-55, Gundrada.[1]

Before 1061, Thibaut had married his third wife, Adela or Alix. Her death was recorded in the necrology of Saint-Loup, Troyes, on "XII Mai" as "Aalais uxor Theobaudi comitis Campaniæ" and her burial was "in monasterio Sancti Faronis.[1]

Thibaut died on 29/30 September 1089, and was buried at Epernay.[1][2]

Note

Graaf van Blois en Champagne

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 Cawley, C. (2006). Medieval Lands v.3 fmg.ac
  2. LoPrete, Kimberly. Adela of Blois Countess and Lord (c 1067-1137). Four Courts Press, 2007. P496 -death of Thibault III cited 29 September 1089.




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Venables-21 and Blois-14 appear to represent the same person because: Both profiles represent Thibault/Theobald, Count of Blois, who had wives Gersende and Adela. The correct last name at birth is "Blois". "Venables" stems from a hypothesis that Gilbert Venables-25 is the son of Thibault/Theobald. This hypothesis is unproven, and in any case, the last name "Venables" started with Gilbert and should not be used for the Counts of Blois. Please merge, thanks!
posted by Nic Donnelly
I suppose we have to be careful about forcing Wikitree to follow every hypothesis. Obviously that would lead to problems, and we can only represent hypotheses that are clearly very likely and have no equally likely "competitors". So I think we'd need a good source for this, and possibly a bit of discussion to make sure we were doing the right thing. Otherwise the I suppose the disconnected profile should stay disconnected and/or be recycled?
posted by Andrew Lancaster
Thanks Andrew. Just to clarify, the unproven (and unlikely) connection from Gilbert de Venables to the Counts of Blois has long since been severed on Wikitree, so approving this merge would not reconnect this line. I mentioned the hypothesis to explain why the "Venables" duplicate exists.

The putative connection to Stephen, Count of Blois is noted in Ormerod, History of ... Chester, 2nd edition, 3:187. But there does not seem to be contemporary evidence to support this pedigree and it is not accepted by modern scholars. See for example the entry for Gislebert de Venables in Keats-Rohan, Domesday People, 212, which makes no mention of such a connection, presumably because no contemporary evidence was found to support it.

posted by Nic Donnelly
Champagne-494 and Blois-14 do not represent the same person because: Champagne-494 had been incorrectly merged with a different profile, changes have now been made that don't match Blois-14
posted by John Atkinson
Venables-23 and Blois-14 do not represent the same person because: No resemblance at all.

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