John Bisset
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John Bisset (1185 - bef. 1241)

John Bisset
Born in Oxfordshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Son of and [mother unknown]
Husband of — married 1223 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died before before age 56 in Whitford, Devon, Englandmap
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Profile last modified | Created 7 May 2017
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Biography

Heir to his brother William (d.1220). John died 1241.[1]


"Alice married (2nd) before 1223 John Biset, of Kidderminster ... 2nd son of Henry Biset ... by an unknown 1st wife. They had three daughters, Margery (wife of Richard de Rivers, Knt.), Ela (wife of Ralph de Neville and John de Wotton, Knt.), and Isabel (wife of Hugh de Plescy, Knt.). He was heir in 1220 to his older brother, William Biset, of Kidderminster, ... John Biset died shortly before 24 Aug 1241, and was buried at Maiden Bradley Priory, Wiltshire." Alice "died about 1263." [2]

Property

Kidderminster
"In 1187 livery of Kidderminster was given to Manasser's heir, (fn. 22) who seems to have been his son Henry. (fn. 23) Henry Biset paid £8 as the farm of the town for one quarter in 1194. (fn. 24) In 1201, however, Geoffrey Fitz Piers was holding the manor at farm from King John, (fn. 25) but Henry Biset the dapifer received a new grant from the king (fn. 26) of this and other manors, and agreed (May 1199) to pay 500 marks in instalments for the vills of Kidderminster and Sandhurst (co. Hants). (fn. 27)" [3]
"Kidderminster appears to have been restored to the Bisets after King John's death. It does not appear whether Henry Biset's heir, his son William, (fn. 35) ever actually held the manor. William's widow, Sarah, married Richard Keynes (de Cahannis), (fn. 36) and in 1223 failed to defend her claim to dower in Kidderminster against her daughter-in-law Isolde, widow of William Biset the younger*, and her second husband, Aumary St. Amand. (fn. 37) Under an exchange with John Biset, brother and heir of the younger William, Aumary held the whole manor instead of the third which was his wife's dower. (fn. 38) In 1228 he had grant of free warren and a yearly fair. (fn. 39)"
  • Isolde was the widow of Henry and the mother-in-law, Sarah being the widow of William the younger and the daughter-in-law
"This grant was renewed to John Biset in 1238. (fn. 40)"

Note

FMG has John as the brother of Henry.

Richardson states John is the son of Henry, and an unknown first wife, considering him born too early to be a son of Henry's wife Isolde. [4]

Sources

  1. Sanders, English Baronies, p.5
  2. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 2nd Edition, 2011 [1]
  3. "Kidderminster: Introduction, borough and manors," in A History of the County of Worcester: Volume 3, (London: Victoria County History, 1913), 158-173. British History Online, accessed May 6, 2017, [2].
  4. Douglas Richardson [3][4][5]
  • FMG: JOHN Bisset ([1165/75]-1241). m firstly ---. m [secondly] (1223 or before) as her third husband, ALICE Basset, widow firstly of WILLIAM Malet of Curry Malet, repudiated wife (secondly) of H--- de Chaceporc, daughter of THOMAS Basset [II] of Headington & his wife Philippa Malbank (-[1263]). [6]




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Kidderminster is a historic minster and market town in Worcestershire, England, may have been first populated by the Husmerae, an Anglo-Saxon tribe first mentioned in the Ismere Diploma, a document in which Ethelbald of Mercia granted a "parcel of land of ten hides" to Cyneberht. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidderminster
Richardson's more recent publication Royal Ancestry (Vol.4 p.3) seems to be sticking to the old idea of John being little brother to William, son of the Henry who was of Kidderminster etc. For the other Henry (of West Allington) see Vol.2 p.396
posted by Andrew Lancaster
John is attached to the wrong Henry. Richardson argues he's the son of Henry, son of Manasser, William Carpenter's brother. Both men had sons named Henry. Richardson specifically argues that John is too old to be Isolde's son, and must belong to an unknown first wife. [1][2][3]

John should be detached from these parents, first, then merged with Bisset-541.

posted by Jason Clark
Biset-26 and Biset-3 appear to represent the same person because: same person, lots of merges needed here, wives, children, more

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