John Bates Jr (1685 - 1723)

Born 10 Mar 1685 in Bruton Parish, York, Virginia Colony

Ancestors

Husband of Susanna (Fleming) Woodson — married 8 Jul 1713 (to 15 Jul 1723) in New Kent County, Virginia

Descendants

Died 15 Jul 1723 at age 38 in Bruton Parish, York, Virginia Colony

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Biography

John was a Friend (Quaker)

John Bates Jr was a Virginia colonist.

John Bates Jr lived in Virginia.

Parents and Siblings

Father: John Bates^[1] of Skimino Hundred and Skimino Monthly Meeting, Society of Friends (Quakers)^[2]

Mother: Elizabeth Daniel

Sibling: Isaac Bates^[1]

Sibling: Hannah Bates^[1]

Sibling: Ann Bates^[1]

Sibling: Catherine Bates

Sibling: Patty Bates^[1]

John's mother was his father's second wife, whom he had married in 1671 in York, Virginia.^[3]

John was born about 1684/5, probably in Bruton Parish, York County, Virginia, where his father's will was filed.^[1] By his father's will, John, John Jr was heir to:

• 750 acres of the plantation where John Bates Jr was living, formerly known as "Old Marsh" with some adjacent land and "Openneck Mill" (presumably in York County); some of this same plantation was designated for John Jr's brother, Isaac in the will
• 710 acres in James City County, south of the Chickahomini River, reserving 50 acres known as "Poplar Spring," for his Isaac, his brother
• Unspecified acreage in New Kent County, near Ware Creek with tract one, being that land purchased from Edward Beetch, tract two purchase from William C (unknown)
• 80-acre tract purchased from Thomas Dean (in James City County, near "Drinking Springs")
• 150-acre tract purchased from Robert Dean (in James City County, near "Drinking Springs")
• 350 acres south of the Chickahomini River, known as "Popular Springs"

Marriage

John and his wife Susannah,^[4] daughter of Charles and Susannah (Tarleton) Fleming of New Kent County, were second cousins. (Please see Research Notes for further discussion.)

Husband: John Bates Jr

Wife: Susannah Fleming^[5]

Marriage: 8 Jul 1713 (5th month, 8th day) York County, Virginia

They were married at a public meeting held at the house of Charles Fleming of New Kent County.^[6]

Among their children were:

1. Fleming Bates^[1][4]
2. John Bates,^[1] heir to the Deanes Plantation in James City County^[4]
3. Charles Bates,^[1] joint heir of Poplar Springs Plantation in Charles City County^[4]
4. James Bates, joint heir of Poplar Springs Plantation in Charles City County^[4]
5. Hannah (Bates) Easley, who was heir to a variety of parcels of land^[4] and who married Robert Easley^[7]

Will & Probate

John Bates (John, George, John) was bequeathed by his father, John, land whereon he now lives...by name of 'Old Martine'", also a "grist water mill by name of 'O'Kenneck Mill,'" and a tract called "Poplar Springs" on the Chickahominy River. John Bates Jr left a will dated 30 Nov 1722, proved 15 July 1723.^[4]

Slaves

Per US Black Heritage: Heritage Exchange Portal protocol, the following enslaved persons are recorded to enhance the chances an opportunity for people to find their ancestors.

• These were named as indicated for John as an heir per his father, John's 25 Dec 1719 York County will:^[1]

1. Polly (female youth, designated for grandson Fleming Bates)
2. Venus (female youth, designated for grandson John Bates)
3. Tomison (female youth, designated for grandson Charles Bates)
4. an additional 13 persons, unspecified (his father's will stated: ITEM I give unto my son John Bates, Sixteen Negroes, namely as follows: however, only the three above-named persons were given the level of specificity shown.
5. an unknown number of enslaved persons are made reference to in John Bates Jr's will: and as for my temporal estates as Lands and Negroes (sic) goods and Chattels... ITEM I will that all the Residue of my personal Estate and Slaves if there be any remaining after my just debts be paid be to my loving wife Susannah Bates and at her disposing for her bringing up and Educating my said Children...^[4]

• This requires location of his wife's will to determine if any additional enslaved persons were transferred or sold, and also follow-up on the named (grand)sons who were heirs.

Research Notes

• Several meeting locations were among those attended by Quakers in York County and surrounding locations: Warwick and Elizabeth City counties, which are today Newport News and Hampton... Chuckatuck monthly meetings in Nansemond County and in Henrico County at Curles Neck.^[2]
• The "closest" designation is the Henrico County Monthly Meetings, in terms of existing Quaker Monthly Meeting locations, but an new location name may be warranted. Thus far, the only records of meeting minutes preserved by Hinshaw fall under Henrico, generically. The articles states that six generations of successive Bates residents in York were Quakers.^[2] One additional source cited Cedar Creek Minutes.^[7]
• Regarding the 2nd cousin relationship, consider the following, paying particular attention to the confidence rankings:
  • Susanna and John are second cousins. Workout on Susanna:

Susanna (Fleming) Woodson (1690-1757) and John Bates Jr (1685-1723) are both descendants of Mary (Unknown) Bates (1605-1701).

1. Susanna is the daughter of Susanna (Tarleton) Fleming (1661-1717) [unknown confidence]
2. Susanna is the daughter of Susanna (Bates) Tarleton (abt.1635-abt.1675) [confident]
3. Susanna is the daughter of Mary (Unknown) Bates (1605-1701) [confident]

This makes Mary the great grandmother of Susanna.

• Susanna and John are second cousins. Workout on John:

1. John is the son of John Bates (1655-1719) [confident]
2. John is the son of George Bates (1625-1677) [confident]
3. George is the son of Mary (Unknown) Bates (1605-1701) [uncertain]

This makes Mary the great grandmother of John.

Additional review and proofs may be needed to make their relationship certain or to revise the tree where needed if the relationship is incorrect. No statements in the sources located thus far have noted such a relationship.

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8 1.9} Cited on FamilySearch: 25 Dec 1719 will of John Bates. York County, Virginia, York County Records, Orders, Wills, Volume XV, 1716-1720. Page 585. A transcription is included, with a proved date in York County of 16 May 1720.
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2} Rouse, Parke. Skimino Quakers were among Dissenters who Left England. DailyPress.com. 14 Apr 1991. Accessed 5 Apr 2023.
3. ↑ Cited on his father's profile: Dodd, Jordan R., et al. Early American Marriages: Virginia to 1850. Bountiful, Utah, USA: Precision Indexing Publishers.
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.6 4.7} Adventures of Purse and Person, Virginia 1607-1624/25 Dorman, John Frederick, editor. 4th ed., Vol 1. 2004, p. 209. Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc. For a transcript of John Bates 30 Nov 1722 will, click here.
5. ↑ Davis, Virginia Lee Hutcheson. Tidewater Virginia Families: Generations Beyond. 1998, p. 129. Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc.
6. ↑ Hinshaw, William Wade; Marshall, Thomas Worth, ed.; & Brown, Douglas Summers. Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy. Vol. VI: "Henrico Monthly Meeting." 1950, p. 155. Ann Arbor, Michigan: Edwards Brothers, Inc.
7. ↑ ^{7.0 7.1} The William and Mary Quarterly. Vol. 6, No. 2. 1 Oct 1897, p. 122. Historical and Genealogical Notes. Published By: Omohundro Institute of Early American History and Culture and Internet Archive.

Acknowledgements

• WikiTree profile Bates-833 created through the import of MOORMAN FAMILY.GED 31 May 2011 by Mary Elizabeth Stewart.
• Information added by Vicky Chai-Brocato, Tuesday, 26 Aug 2014.