Joan (Bohun) de Lisle (abt. 1326 - aft. 1359)

Born about 1326 in England

Ancestors

Wife of John Lisle — married about 1341 in England

Descendants

Died after 1 Feb 1359 after about age 33 in England

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Biography

Joan de Bohun^[1][2]

Joan was the daughter of John de Bohun, Knt., of Midhurst, Sussex, and his first wife Isabel.^[1][2] Her date of birth is unknown and is estimated to be about 1326.^[3] Her mother, Isabel, may have been the daughter of Henry de Tregoz, Knt., of Goring, Sussex.^[4][5]

Joan de Bohun married John de Lisle,^[6] son and heir of John de Lisle and his wife Joan.^[1][2][7] The date of their marriage is estimated to be about 1341.^[3] They had one son and two daughters:

• John de Lisle, baptized 6 November 1342 (aged 6 in 1349), died without issue in 1369,^[1][2][3] married Alice _____^[7]
• Elizabeth de Lisle, married John de Bramshott^[1][2]
• Eve de Lisle, married John Battesford (or Burford), Knt.^[1][2]

Joan's husband, John de Lisle, died in 1349.^[1][2] Joan was alive on 1 February 1359, when "the king granted that she should retain the manor of Lordington (in Racton), Sussex...."^[2] Joan had previously been granted the wardship of the manors of Lordington and Compton, in 1349, to hold "during the minority of John," son and heir of her late husband.^[1] Her husband's mother Joan also died in 1349, leaving "a grandson John, age 6 [who] died in 1369, leaving as heir his sister Elizabeth, who married John Bramshott."^[8]

Research Notes

The wife of John de Lisle is incorrectly identified as "Elizabeth" de Bohun instead of Joan in The Visitations of Sussex.^[9][10][11]

She is Joan in "The Bohuns of Midhurst" by G. W. Watson:^[7]

"Joan. She m. John de Lisle, of Gatcombe, in the Isle of Wight. He was b. 13 June 1324, succeeded his father, John de Lisle in 1337,[26] and d. 31 March 1349. Her dower was assigned 24 Sep. 1349.[27]"

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7} Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol. I, pages 503-504, BRAMSHOTT 8, Joan de Bohun.
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7} Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 2nd edition, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), Vol. I, page 294 BRAMSHOTT 8, Joan de Bohun.
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1 3.2} NOTE: Estimated dates for birth, marriage: Born about 1326, based on her husband's birth about 1324 - "aged 13 in 1337", per Richardson (BRAMSHOTT #8) - and their son John's baptism in November 1342, which is basis for marriage date estimate of about 1341.
4. ↑ Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, page 82, MIDHURST #7. John de Bohun
5. ↑ NOTE: Joan's mother was Isabel, first wife of John de Bohun. The relationship is marked as Uncertain in WikiTree because it is not certain that her mother's maiden name was Tregoz.
6. ↑ Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, Volume I, page 323 BREWES #7.i. Joan de Bohun
7. ↑ ^{7.0 7.1 7.2} G.W. Watson, "The Bohuns of Midhurst," in The Genealogist (1912). Online at Archive.org, pages 8-9. Citations:
   • [26] "Iohannes de Insula de Gatecoumbe. . . (Ch. Inq. p.m., Edw. III, file 52, no. 6)."
   • [27] "Ch. Inq. p.m., Edw. III, file 106, no. 6. Enrolled on Rot. Cl., 23 Edw. III, p. 2, m. 9d."
8. ↑ L F Salzman, ed. "Racton", in A History of the County of Sussex, Volume 4, the Rape of Chichester, (London, 1953), pages 113-118. Online at British History Online, accessed 27 Mar 2020: "Joan, widow of a later John de l'Isle, married Henry Romayn and died in 1349, leaving a grandson John, aged 6. (fn. 149) His mother Joan (de Bohun) had a grant of the manor for his sustenance during his nonage. (fn. 150) This John died in 1369, leaving as heir his sister Elizabeth, who married John Bramshott. (fn. 151)" (see source for footnote references).
9. ↑ Thomas Benolte, John Philipot and George Owen. The Visitations of the County of Sussex, 1530, 1633-4. (London: Mitchell, Hughes and Clarke, printers 1905). Online at Google Books
10. ↑ NOTE: Visitations are considered primary sources for those visited and the previous generation (or more). However, John de Lisle was born about 1324 and the first visitation recorded in the Visitations of Sussex was 1530, more than 200 years earlier. Other discrepancies in the Bramshott lineage shown in the visitations cast doubt on its reliability for these early generations. Sources to collaborate her name as Elizabeth were not found; other sources found call her Joan.
11. ↑ NOTE: A comment on the profile for descendant Elizabeth (Bramshot) Dudley notes that the Bramshott lineage shown in the visitations is missing two generations of Bohuns.

• Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. Salt Lake City: the author, 2013. Vol. IV, pages 82-83 MIDHURST 7. See also WikiTree's source page for Royal Ancestry.
• Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. Salt Lake City: the author, 2011. See also WikiTree's source page for Magna Carta Ancestry.

See also:

• Joan de Bohun, "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed 4 January 2019)

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Joan (Bohun) de Lisle appears in a trail from Gateway Ancestor Elizabeth Covert to Magna Carta Surety Baron Richard de Clare that was developed in 2018 and was reviewed, approved and badged on 27 March 2020. The trail is outlined in the Magna Carta Trails section of the Gateway's profile.

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