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John Warren Sr (bef. 1585 - 1667)

John Warren Sr aka Warrin
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Died after age 82 in Watertown, Middlesex, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
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John Warren Sr migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See Great Migration Begins, by R. C. Anderson, Vol. 3, p. 1932)
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Biography

Uncertain Origins

The surname Warren, Warrin, Warin, Warryn, Waryn was quite common In England. Of course, the forename John was and still is even more common. There were men named John Warren in different English counties at the time, just as there were different families with that same surname both in England and in the New World. This John Warren was not related to Richard Warren of the Mayflower. Nor was he the son of Christopher Warren and Alyce Webbe.

The John Warren who seems to have arrived with the Winthrop Fleet, initially does not seem to present any indication of his origins. His surname was on a provisional list, no first name, no name for his wife and children either.[1] It is generally assumed that he was the man listed just as it is assumed that he came with his wife and children.

Bond included him in his inventory of Watertown settlers, commenting mostly on his will.[2] Savage seems to have been the first one to connect him with the Winthrop Fleet, more specifially to Richard Saltonstall.[3] Neither author mentioned his origins. The connection with the Warren family in Nayland, Stoke by Nayland and Wissington, Suffolk, England, seems to have been made in the early 1900s by the Committee on English Research of the New England Historical and Genealogical Society.[4] According to a 1907 article, they tried to make transcriptions of every will they could find for families with surnames similar to those of New England settlers before 1700. In some cases they also made transcriptions of parish records.[5]An enourmous endeavor which, in itself, presents a myriad of problems from its conception. In the case of John Warren, there were people by that name born in the 1580s and 1590s in Devon, Leicestershire, Derbyshire, Gloucestershire and Middlesex, just to name a few English counties.[6][7][8][9] There were even people by that same name born in other Suffolk villages.[10] How they came to choose this origin for the John Warren who immigrated to New England is unclear. His date of birth and those of his children who were baptized in Nayland, Suffolk, England, fit nicely with what we know about his life in Watertown, Massachusetts Bay Colony. Nevertheless, it seems important to point out that these dates, places and events in England, although well documented by parish records and wills, are plausible, but far from certain as they could pertain to another individual by the same name.

Baptism

John Warrin was baptized on 1 August 1585, at the parish of Nayland, county Suffolk, England. He was a son of John Warren and Elizabeth Scarlett. This baptism date and place, as well as his parents' names, are supported by transcriptions made by Elizabeth French for the Committee on English Research for the New England Historical and Genealogical Society and was published in 1910 in their Register.[4] Anderson mentions that same transcription for Warren's biography but seems to have compared it to the original records.[11]

Life in England

John's father was called a cardmaker in a few parish records, which means he made tools for carding wool.[4] No indication of John's occupation could be found to present in any of the primary sources available.

In the 1629 Visitation of Nayland, Archdeaconry of Sudbury, Diocese of Norwich, John Warren was the first in a list of seven men from that parish who were prosecuted "for not kneeling at the communion", a common Puritan offense. He was fined 90 pounds.[11]

Marriage

John married a woman named Margaret still in England and probably before 1615 when his first child seems to have been baptized.[4] Margaret's maiden name has been disputed and several possibilities have been suggested, although most of them are unsupported by primary sources. The most plausible match seems to be Margaret Abbott, who was baptized in 1589 at St Barnabas church in Chappel, Essex, England, 10 miles southwest of Nayland, Suffolk, England.[12] Margret Abbott married a John Warren in 1612 also at St, Barnabas church in Chappel, Essex, England[13] Margaret passed away in Nov 1662, Watertown, Middlesex, Massachusetts Bay Colony. [14]

Children

John and Margaret had at least 7 children:

  1. Marie, bap. 23 Apr 1615, Nayland, Suffolk, England, bur. 17 Dec 1622, Nayland, Suffolk, England.[4]
  2. Elizabeth bap. 25 Jun 1619, Nayland, Suffolk, England, bur. 25 NOv 1622, Nayland, Suffolk, England.[4]
  3. Sarah baptised 20 Apr 1620, Nayland, Suffolk, England, bur. 7 Sep 1621, Nayland, Suffolk, England.[4]
  4. John baptised 12 May 1622, Nayland, Suffolk, England,[15] married Michal Jennison alias Bloyss, 11 Jul 1667, Watertown, Middlesex, Massachusetts Bay Colony,[16] d. 27 Jan 1703, Watertown, Middlesex, Massacusetts Bay Colony.[17]
  5. Mary bap. 12 Sep 1624, Nayland, Suffolk, England,[4] m. John Bigelow 30 Oct 1642, Wtertown,Middlesex, Massachusetts Bay Colony,[18] died 19 Oct 1691, Watertown, Massachusetts Bay Colony.[19]
  6. Daniel baptised 25 Feb 1626/7, Nayland, Suffolk, England,[20] m. Mary Barron, 10 Dec 1650, Watertown, Middlesex, Massachusetts Bay Colony,[21] d. after 1698.
  7. Elizabeth bap. 2 July 1629, Nayland, Suffolk, England,[22] m. James Knapp alias Knopp prob. bef. 1655,[23] d. 12 Jan 1715/6, Watertown, Middlesex, Massachusetts Bay Colony.[24]

Threlfall also mentions Susan, who would have been baptized on 14 April 1612 in Nayland, Suffolk, England. Although not clear, it would seem that he credits the information to Bond's Genealogies of the families and descendants of the early settlers of Watertown, Massachusetts. Bond, however, never mentioned Susan.[25] (primary source research reveals that the Nayland parish register says Susan Wrinch was baptized on that day, daughter of John. Robert, another child of John Wrinch, was baptized in 1608. Findmypast.co.uk) Since Threlfall's essay contains a few mistakes and very few citations to support his claims and also no trusted sources could be found so far to demonstrate Susan's existence, she will not be included here as one of John and Margaret's children. The list proposed by Anderson seems to be more consistent with the primary soruces and trusted secondary sources found to date.[11]

Immigration

In 1630, John and Margaret were among those who joined the exodus to America. They seem to have come to New England from Nayland, Suffolk, England, with the Winthrop fleet. The fleet arrived in New England between June and July 1630.[26] Despite claims on several genealogies on the internet that John Warren traveled with Governor Winthrop aboard the "Arabella", no documentation has been found to support that. Furthermore, it has not been possible to identify the name of the ship which carried John and his family to New England.[1]

Despite the absence of primary sources listing his wife and children among those who came with the Winthrop Fleet, his wife Margaret and their children John, Mary, Daniel and Elizabeth appear in several colonial records and would have probably arrived with John.

Colonial Life

The family settled in Watertown, where John was made freeman 18 May 1631, chosen selectman in 1635 and again in 1639.[11] On 14 November 1635 John Warrin and Abram Browne were tasked with laying the highways and making sure they were sufficiently maintained. On September 30 of that same year, John was also listed as part of a group of 11 freemen to "order" the civil affairs of the town for the next year and divide the lands.[27] In July 1636 John received a grant of 60 acres of land.[28] Then he received 13 more acres in February 1636/7 as part of the grant of plow lands at Beverbroke Planes.[29] The first Inventory of Lands and Possessions for Watertown dated 1634/5 shows a complete list of John's properties: a homestall of 12 acres, 9 acres of upland, 3 acres of meadow, 13 acres of plowland, 13 acres of meadow, 16.5 acres of upland, 60 acres of upland, a farm of 160 acres of upland, in total 286.5 acres.[30] The Second Inventory dated 1641-2 listed under his name: a homestall of 12 acres, 9 acres of upland, 3 acres of meadow, 13 acres of plowland, 13 acres of meadow, 16.5 acres of upland, 60 acres of upland, 1.5 acres of meadow, 1.5 acres of meadow, 2 acres of marsh, in a total of 131.5 acres, less than half of the acreage he had in the first inventory.[31]

In 1639 John was chosen again to be part of a group of 12 freemen to "order" the civil affairs of the town.[32] He was also mentioned twice in 1647 concerning disputes about distribution of land.[33]

Despite his early engagement in the town's affairs from the 1650s onwards several incidents could reveal that John was not conforming to the requirements of puritan life. He did belong to the church, but was fined for frequent absences from services.[11] Bond speculates that John Warren may have been a Baptist.[2]

John was cited for failing to attend public worship and he may have sympathized with the Quakers.[34]

  • In October 1651, he and Thomas Arnold, were each fined 20 shillings for an offence against the laws concerning baptism.
  • On 4 Apr 1654, he was fined, for neglect of public worship, 14 Sabbaths, each 5 shillings = 3 pounds, 10 shillings.
  • On 14 Mar 1658/59, he was to be warned for not attending public worship; but "old Warren is to be found in town".
  • On 27 May 1661, the houses of "old Warren and goodman Hammond", were ordered to be searched for Quakers.[2]

According to Bond, he appeared to have agreed in religious sentiments with Dr. John Clark, of Newport, Nathaniel Briscoe, Sr., who returned from Watertown to England and Thomas Arnold, who moved from Watertown to Providence, Rhode Island.[2]

Despite his lack of conviction for the established church, John never gave up or lost his church membership. He may have kept his membership to avoid losing some privileges such as voting.[35][2]

Death and Probate

John died on 13 Dec 1667, at Watertown, Massachusetts Bay Colony. He was 82 years old.[16][36]

For a transcription of John Warren's Last Will and Testament please check: Last Will and Testament of John Warren of Watertown, 1667

John left land to his children, specific objects, such as pewter utensils, to his children, daughters-in-law and grandchildren and the book The Plain Man's Pathway to Heaven, by Arthur Dent to his daughter Elizabeth.[37] The well know puritan book was first published in 1601 and its presence is particularly interesting due to Warren's apparent lack of compliance with puritan laws and customs.

Sources

  1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 Banks, Charles Edward. The Winthrop fleet of 1630; an account of the vessels, the voyage, the passengers, and their English homes from original authorities. Boston, Houghton Mifflin company, 1930, Illustrations between p. 48 and 49.
  2. ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 Bond, Henry & Jones, Horatio Gates. Genealogies of the families and descendants of the early settlers of Watertown, Massachusetts, including Waltham and Weston : to which is appended the early history of the town. Vol. 1. Boston: N.E. Historic-genealogical Society, for the benefit of the "Bond fund", 1860, p. 960.
  3. ↑ Savage, James, A genealogical dictionary of the first settlers of New England : showing three generations of those who came before May, 1692, on the basis of Farmer's Register. Vol. 4. Boston : Little, Brown and Co., 1860, p. 424.
  4. ↑ 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.6 4.7 Genealogical Research in England: Nayland parish records. The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. (64:353) Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1910, p. 353.
  5. ↑ Genealogical Research in England. The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. (61:64) Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1907, p. 64.
  6. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N56Q-KZV : 19 September 2020), John Pullin or Warren, 1590.
  7. ↑ "England, Leicestershire Parish Registers, 1533-1991," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPWB-3T5C : 6 June 2018), John Warren, 27 Jan 1588; records extracted by findmypast, images digitized by FamilySearch; citing Baptism, Breedon on the Hill, Leicestershire, England, United Kingdom, page 19, Citing the Record Office of Leicestershire, Leicester, and Rutland, Wigston, UK.
  8. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NPXS-YNR : 21 March 2020), John Warren, 1585.
  9. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NPWS-SYG : 19 September 2020), John Warren, 1594.
  10. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5KS-G4X : 19 September 2020), John Warren, 1586.
  11. ↑ 11.0 11.1 11.2 11.3 11.4 Anderson, Robert Charles, John Warren The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III. Pages 1932-34 (Online database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2010)
  12. ↑ "FreeReg UK Parish Register database"
    Essex; Chappel; St Barnabas; Parish Register; File line number: 127
    FreeReg Transcription (accessed 23 November 2022)
    Margret Abbott baptism on 27 Jul 1589 (born 27 Jul 1589), daughter of Thomas Abbott, in Chappel, Essex, England.
  13. ↑ "FreeReg UK Parish Register database"
    Essex; Chappel; St Barnabas; Parish Register; File line number: 46
    FreeReg Transcription (accessed 23 November 2022)
  14. ↑ Watertown Records (Fred G. Barker, Watertown, Mass., 1894-), Volume 1, Page 24. "1662: Mergrett Warrin : wife of John Warrin ser dyed the Sixth of ye 9th."
  15. ↑ "Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911"
    FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 26 November 2022)
    John Warrin baptism on 12 May 1622 (born 1622), son of John, in Nayland, Suffolk, England.
  16. ↑ 16.0 16.1 Watertown records Vol. 1:29
  17. ↑ "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FHCG-8W5 : 20 May 2022), John Capt. Warren, 27 Jan 1703; citing Death, Watertown, Middlesex, Massachusetts Bay Colony, British Colonial America, Massachusetts Secretary of the Commonwealth, Boston; FHL microfilm 007009514.
  18. ↑ "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPZT-M851 : 11 May 2022), John Bigulah and Mary Warin, 30 Sep 1642; citing Marriage, Watertown, Massachusetts Bay Colony, British Colonial America, Massachusetts Secretary of the Commonwealth, Boston; FHL microfilm 007011107.
  19. ↑ Watertown records Vol. 1:64
  20. ↑ "Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911"
    FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 26 November 2022)
    Daniel Warrin baptism on 25 Feb 1626 (born 1626), son of John, in Nayland, Suffolk, England.
  21. ↑ Watertown records Vol. 1:15
  22. ↑ "Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911"
    FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 12 November 2022)
    Elizabeth Warrin baptism on 2 Jul 1629 (born 1629), daughter of John, in Nayland, Suffolk, England.
  23. ↑ "U.S., New England Marriages Prior to 1700"
    Genealogical Publishing Co.; Baltimore, MD, USA; Volume Title: Third Supplement to Torrey's New England Marriages Prior to 1700
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 3824 #900179582 (accessed 17 November 2022)
    Elizabeth Knopp marriage to James Knopp in About 1655.
  24. ↑ "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FHCG-D6G : 20 May 2022), Elizabeth Knap, 12 Jan 1716; citing Death, Watertown, Middlesex, Massachusetts Bay Colony, British Colonial America, Massachusetts Secretary of the Commonwealth, Boston; FHL microfilm 007009514.
  25. ↑ Threlfall, John B. Fifty great migration colonists to New England & their origins. Madison, WI: Pub. by author, 1990, p. 481.
  26. ↑ Anderson, Robert Charles. The Winthrop Fleet of 1630. NEHGS, 2012. Pages 43. 312. 436. 661-665. 701, 703.
  27. ↑ Historical Society of Watertown (Mass.). Watertown records : comprising the first and second books of town proceedings with the lands grants and possessions, also the proprietors' book and the first book and supplement of births and deaths and marriages. Vol. 1. Watertown, Mass.: Fred G. Baker Pr., 1894, p. 2.
  28. ↑ Historical Society of Watertown (Mass.). Watertown records : comprising the first and second books of town proceedings with the lands grants and possessions, also the proprietors' book and the first book and supplement of births and deaths and marriages. Vol. 2. Watertown, Mass.: Fred G. Baker Pr., 1894, p. 5.
  29. ↑ Historical Society of Watertown (Mass.). Watertown records : comprising the first and second books of town proceedings with the lands grants and possessions, also the proprietors' book and the first book and supplement of births and deaths and marriages. Vol. 2. Watertown, Mass.: Fred G. Baker Pr., 1894, p. 7.
  30. ↑ Historical Society of Watertown (Mass.). Watertown records : comprising the first and second books of town proceedings with the lands grants and possessions, also the proprietors' book and the first book and supplement of births and deaths and marriages. Vol. 2. Watertown, Mass.: Fred G. Baker Pr., 1894, p. 42-43.
  31. ↑ Historical Society of Watertown (Mass.). Watertown records : comprising the first and second books of town proceedings with the lands grants and possessions, also the proprietors' book and the first book and supplement of births and deaths and marriages. Vol. 2. Watertown, Mass.: Fred G. Baker Pr., 1894, p. 100.
  32. ↑ Historical Society of Watertown (Mass.). Watertown records : comprising the first and second books of town proceedings with the lands grants and possessions, also the proprietors' book and the first book and supplement of births and deaths and marriages. Vol.1. Watertown, Mass.: Fred G. Baker Pr., 1894, p. 5.
  33. ↑ Historical Society of Watertown (Mass.). Watertown records : comprising the first and second books of town proceedings with the lands grants and possessions, also the proprietors' book and the first book and supplement of births and deaths and marriages. Vol.1. Watertown, Mass.: Fred G. Baker Pr., 1894, p. 12 & 14.
  34. ↑ Ellery Bicknell Crane, Historic Homes and Institutions and Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worcester County, Massachusetts: With a History of Worcester Society of Antiquity, Volume 1, published 19076. Page 130 via GoogleBooks
  35. ↑ Cutter, William Richard Cutter, New England families, genealogical and memorial New York: Lewis historical Pub. Co., 1914, (Pages 1975-76) HathiTrust.org accessed November 11, 2015.
  36. ↑ Middlesex County, MA: Probate File Papers, 1648-1871.Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2014. (From records supplied by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court Archives. Digitized images provided by FamilySearch.org)Last Will and Testament of John Warren, 1667
  37. ↑ Dent, Arthur. The Plain Man's Pathway to heaven. Belfast: North Ireland Book & Tract epository, 1601, 1859.

See also:

  • The Warren-Scarlett ancestry in England is primarily based on the material presented in The Ancestry of Eva Belle Kempton 1878-1908: Part I "The Ancestry of Warren Francis Kempton 1817-1879," by Dean Crawford Smith and edited by Melinde Lutz Sanborn (Boston, 1996), pages 462-474. This work contains much additional supporting material, and additional details on family members.
  • Parke, Nathan Grier; Donald Lines Jacobur, ed., The Ancestry of Lorenzo Ackley & His Wife Emma Arabella Bosworth Woodstock, VT: The Elm Tree Press, 1960 (Pages 267-68) HathiTrust.org.
  • Smith, Dean Crawford, The Ancestry of Eva Belle Kempton, 1878-1908, Part 1 Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1996 (Part 1, pp 470--474)
  • Warren, Thomas, A history and genealogy of the Warren family in Normandy, Great Britain and Ireland, France, Holland, Tuscany, United States of America, etc. (A. D. 912-1902) with numerous pedigrees London: 1902, FamilySearch
  • English Ancestry of New. England Families. (Vol. 1, Page 99)
  • Bigelow Family Genealogy Volume I; first pages; Howe, Bigelow Family in America; pgs. 17-22; Bond's, Genealogies & History of Watertown; NEHG Register, Oct 1910; Warren genealogy; The Winthrop Woman, by Anya Seton Chase (c) 1958. (This is a Copy of a scanned document from the Bigelow Society June 1996 by Don Bigelow).
  • Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/34924869/john-warren: accessed 16 January 2024), memorial page for John Warren III (1 Aug 1585–13 Dec 1667), Find A Grave: Memorial #34924869; Burial Details Unknown; Maintained by Linda Mac (contributor 47062703). (No gravestone, burial unknown.)




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Ashley-1950 Chase Ashley
The Uncertain Origins section, which suggests that his origins are unknown or at least uncertain, currently conflicts with (1) the Baptism and Life in England sections were assert/assume he was the John Warren baptized in Nayland and (2) the certainty status of his linked parents.
posted by Chase Ashley
Bonnet-244 Marcia (Bonnet) Benjamin
Shouldn't Bayle-129 be disconnected as wife to John Warren? Does anyone have any trusted sources to support that? I haven't been able to find any evidence that Bayly was the wife of John Warren, the immigrant.
posted by Marcia (Bonnet) Benjamin
Hill-11959 S (Hill) Willson
Yes, Bayly is incorrect for this John Warren.

I need to go look at some details to find the correct pair who did marry. Lots of research went into it

posted by S (Hill) Willson
edited by S (Hill) Willson
Bonnet-244 Marcia (Bonnet) Benjamin
I found a marriage record for a John Warren and a Margret Abbott in Essex, 10 miles from Nayland. I thought that looked promissing. I saved those records to Unknown-298071. I'd love to see what you found in your quest. It seems there's an article about that Margaret Abbott in the last TAG issue. I'll need to go to the FHC to read that though.
posted by Marcia (Bonnet) Benjamin
Robert Battle
Warren-8149 and Warren-238 appear to represent the same person because: They are the same person (see Leslie Mahler's article in the most recent TAG).
posted by Robert Battle
Hill-11959 S (Hill) Willson
Warren-21396 and Warren-238 appear to represent the same person because: father matches, wife matches (Bayle shown in bio of -238), same death info. Please merge
posted by S (Hill) Willson
[Living Taylor]
Margaret Bayly daughter of William Bayly is the wife of Warren-238 despite the effort of the WikiTree pre 1700 crew to deny the sources and the evidence.

U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Name Margaret Bayley Gender Female Birth Year 1587 Spouse Name John Warren Spouse Birth Year 1585 Marriage Year 1592 Number Pages 1 Web: Netherlands, GenealogieOnline Trees Index, 1000-2015 Name Margaret Fowle Bayly Gender (Female) Birth Date 1587 Birth Place Nayland, Suffolk, England Death Date 6 Nov 1662 Death Place Watertown, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA Death Age 75 Father William Bayly Mother Anna Spouse John Warren Children Mary Warren http://bigelowsociety.com/rod/warren1.htm#Note5: Subject: Margaret CLEAR, wife of John WARREN?? Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:04:57 EST From: Brenda Bova [email address removed] You have this: Margaret CLEAR, b. abt 1590, ,,England, d. 6 Nov 1662, Watertown, Middlesex, MA.{6} on your website But I have PROOF that it is incorrect in the form of two will abstracts found in "English Wills of Colonial Families" by Noel Currer-Briggs:

English wills of colonial families. Author: Noel Currer-Briggs Publisher: Cottonport [La.] Polyanthos, 1972. Edition/Format: Print book : EnglishView all editions and formats Subjects Wills -- Great Britain. United States -- Genealogy. Great Britain – Genealogy.

I do have copies of both and would be willing to send them to you if you would like to see them. The following is what I have on Margaret's family.

Descendants of William Bayly Generation No. 1 1. WILLIAM 1 BAYLY was born Abt. 1557, and died Abt. Mar 1613/14 in Westbury, Gloucestershire, ENG. He married ANN Unknown. She died Aft. Mar 1613/14. Notes for WILLIAM BAYLY: Will Abstract from "English Wills of Colonial Families" by Noel Currer-Briggs WILLIAM BAYLY of Everleigh, parish of Westbury, Gloucestershire, gentleman. GCC 256/1613 2 Mar 1613/14 To wife Ann.

To son-in-law John Warren. To Joseph FOWLE, younger son of William FOWLE, late of Huntley, deceased, by him begotten of the body of Margaret, his wife, my daughter. Mentions Joseph BAYLY, my son, lately deceased. William FOWLE, eldest son of my daughter, Margaret. John WARREN, now husband of my daughter Margaret.

Children of WILLIAM BAYLY and ANN are: i. JOSEPH 2 BAYLY. Notes for JOSEPH BAYLY: Will Abstract from "English Wills of Colonial Families" by Noel Currer-Briggs JOSEPH BAYLY of Westbury, Gloucestershire, yeoman. To Samuel WINTLE, godson, son of Henry WINTLE. To sister Anne PICKE. To sisters Margaret, Dorothy and Elizabeth BAYLIE. To brother John WARONDE. ii. ANNE BAYLY, m. ? PICKE. iii. DOROTHY BAYLY. iv. ELIZABETH BAYLY.

2. v. MARGARET BAYLY, b. Abt. 1587, Middlesex, England; d. Nov 06, 1662, Watertown, Middlesex Co., MA.. Generation No. 2 2. MARGARET 2 BAYLY (WILLIAM 1) was born Abt. 1587 in Middlesex, England, and died Nov 06, 1662 in Watertown, Middlesex Co., MA.1,2. She married (1) WILLIAM FOWLE Bef. 1613. He died Bef. Mar 02, 1613/14. She married (2) JOHN WARREN 3,4 Bef. Mar 02, 1613/14, son of JOHN WARREN and ELIZABETH SCARLETT. He was born Bef. Aug 01, 1585 in England 5, and died Dec 13, 1667 in Watertown, Middlesex Co., MA.5. Notes for JOHN WARREN: From "Bullard and Allied Families" He had a homestead and seven other lots, aggregating 188 acres. John Warren, though a member of the Puritan church, was in sympathy with the Quakers, and was the subject of much criticism and abuse by certain church officials. He retained his membership in the church, however, and died, at peace with its doctrines, December 13, 1667, aged 82 years. His wife Margaret (surname unknown), died November 6, 1662. His will dated November 30, 1667, was proved December 17 of that year..." Per SAVAGE, VOL 4 DICT. FIRST SETTLERS OF New England: WARREN, JOHN, Watertown, came probably in 1630, in the fleet with Sir Richard Saltonstall, then aged about 45, and having wife and children (four certainly are named in his will, and of them only Elizabeth could be born here). There may have been others, but no record of birth or death is found. He was admitted freeman 18 May 1631, chosen selectman 1636-40. Late in life he fell under the censure of the laws, unwisely levelled at dissenting from the religious course of the major part of the inhabitants and Bond informs us of proceedings against him in 1651, 1654, and 1661; but he died in peace, 13 December 1667, aged 82. His wife Margaret died 6 November 1662. She was probably the mother of all his children John, born 1622; Mary; and Daniel, born 1628; beside Elizabeth who married about 1654, James Knapp. Mary married 30 Oct. 1642, John Bigelow. More About JOHN WARREN: Baptism: Aug 01, 1585, Nayland, Suffolk, ENG. Immigrated on the Arbella to Salem, Massachusetts in 1630 Freeman: May 18, 1631 Settled at Watertown, Massachusetts Selectman: Bet. 1636 - 1640 Will Dated: Nov 30, 16676 Will Proved: Dec 17, 16676 Children of MARGARET BAYLY and WILLIAM FOWLE are: i. WILLIAM 3 FOWLE. ii. JOSEPH FOWLE. Children of MARGARET BAYLY and JOHN WARREN are: iii. MARY 3 WARREN, b. Bef. Apr 23, 1615, Nayland, Suffolk, England 7; d. Abt. Dec 17, 1622, Nayland, Suffolk, England. More About MARY WARREN: Baptism: Apr 23, 1615, Nayland, Suffolk Co., ENG.7 Burial: Dec 17, 1622, Nayland, Suffolk Co., ENG.7 iv. ELIZABETH WARREN, b. Bef. Jun 25, 1619, Nayland, Suffolk, England 7; d. Bef. Nov 25, 1622, Nayland, Suffolk, England 7. More About ELIZABETH WARREN: Baptism: Jun 25, 1619, Nayland, Suffolk Co., ENG.7 Burial: Nov 25, 1622, Nayland, Suffolk Co., ENG.7 v. SARAH WARREN, b. Bef. Apr 20, 1620, Nayland, Suffolk, England 7; d. Bef. Sep 07, 1621, Nayland, Suffolk, England 7. More About SARAH WARREN: Baptism: Apr 20, 1620, Nayland, Suffolk Co., ENG.7 Burial: Sep 07, 1621, Nayland, Suffolk Co., ENG.7 vi. JOHN WARREN, b. Bef. May 12, 1622; d. Jan 27, 1702/03, Watertown, Middlesex Co., MA 10; m. MICHAL JENNISON, Jul 11, 1667 11; d. Jul 14, 1713 11. More About JOHN WARREN: Baptism: May 12, 1622, Nayland, Suffolk Co., ENG.12 Freeman: May 18, 1645 Selectman: 1676 Title: Captain Will Dated: Jan 12, 1702/03 13 Will Proved: Feb 22, 1702/03 13 vii. MARY WARREN 13, b. Bef. Sep 12, 1624, Nayland, Suffolk Co., Eng.14,15; d. Oct 19, 1691, Watertown, Middlesex Co., MA.15,16; m. JOHN BIGELOW, Oct 30, 1642, Watertown, Middlesex Co., MA.17,18,19,20,21; b. Abt. Feb 16, 1616/17, Wrentham, Suffolk Co., Eng.; d. Jul 14, 1703, Watertown, Middlesex Co., MA.22,23. More About MARY WARREN: Baptism: Sep 12, 1624, Nayland, Suffolk Co., ENG.24 More About JOHN BIGELOW: Occupation: Blacksmith viii. DANIEL WARREN 25, b. Bef. Feb 25, 1626/27, Nayland, Essex, England 26,27; d. Feb 13, 1714/15, Watertown, Middlesex Co., MA.; m. MARY BARRON, Dec 10, 1650 28,29; b. Feb 25, 1626/27, Waterford, Ireland; d. Feb 13, 1715/16 30. Notes for DANIEL WARREN: Per SAVAGE, VOL 4 DICT. FIRST SETTLERS OF New England: DANIEL, Watertown, son of the first John, born in England married 10 December 1650, Mary, eldest daughter of Ellis Barron, had Mary, born 29 November 1651; Daniel, 6 October 1653; Hannah; Sarah, 4 July 1658; Elizabeth 17 September 1660; Susanna, 26 December 1663, died under 15 years.; John, 5 March 1666; Joshua, 4 July 1668; and Grace, 14 March 1672. He swore fidelity 1652, was selectman between 1680 and 98, twelve years Mary married 29 May 1668, John Child, and next, 13 April 1677, Nathaniel Fiske; Hannah married 24 September 1675, David Mead; Elizabeth married 6 December 1681 Jonathan Tainter; and Grace married 20 January 1691, Joseph Morse. More About DANIEL WARREN: Baptism: Feb 25, 1626/27, Nayland, Suffolk Co., ENG.31 ix. ELIZABETH WARREN 32, b. Bef. Jul 21, 1629 33,34; m. JAMES KNAPP, Abt. 1654 35,36; b. Bef. Apr 30, 1626, Wormingford, Essex, Eng; d. Bef. Nov 11, 1700. More About ELIZABETH WARREN: Baptism: Jul 21, 1629, Nayland, Suffolk Co., ENG.37

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Hill-11959 S (Hill) Willson
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Bonnet-244 Marcia (Bonnet) Benjamin
I would love to see any evidence you could provide other than U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 and internet family trees. Neither are considered trusted sources. I'm currently working on Elizabeth Warren's profile for the PGM project and so far I haven't been able to find any sources with Margaret's maiden name or of Margaret's marriage to John Warren. We know from their children's baptism records that her first name was Margaret. Any primary sources that could help solve this mystery would be very much welcome.
posted by Marcia (Bonnet) Benjamin
Tim Prince
Why are Bailey-10743 and Unknown-298071 both carried as spouse of Warren-238 ?

The reasons why Bailey-10743 is not accepted as spouse of Warren-238 are covered in Unknown-298071.

posted by Tim Prince
Hayward Houghton II
Warren-9646 and Warren-238 appear to represent the same person because: Same dates and locations
posted by Hayward Houghton II
Malloy-116 Renee Malloy Esq
What does the DNA Richard III of England establish? Is there shared Y chromosome markers with 9th Great Granddad John and 23rd Rich?
posted by Renee Malloy Esq

Rejected matches › John (Waring) Warren (bef.1617-) › John Warren (1713-1790) › John Warren (1685-1745) › John Warenne (abt.1375-1413)

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