Known as Thomas Tobin of Killaghy, County Kilkenny. Estimated birth year 1485.
Lord of Compshinagh (Compsey),[1] County Tipperary [2]
His only known wife, Eleanor FitzGerald, was daughter and sister of two different Earls of Desmond. After Tobin's death (ca. 1541) she married John Oge FitzGibbon, 10th White Knight (d. 1569).[3]
Family Connections
The History of the Tobin family in Ireland indicates the surname was Sancto Albino at the time of the Norman Invasion of Ireland, and later evolved into Tobyne/Tobyn/Tobin. The land (variously spelled Cumsy, Comsy, Compsey) belonged to the family since the 1200s. [4]
A descendant of John de Sancto Albino alias Tobyn of Roston.[5]
The likely father or grandfather of "James Tobyn of the Compsey", from the 1574 Survey of Ireland.[6]
Possibly the father or grandfather of James Tobin[7] and the grandfather of Margaret Tobin, who married James Butler (1540-92), son of the 9th Earl of Ormond.
Grandfather of Margaret Tobin, daughter of Thomas, who married Nicholas Power, the illegitimate son of Sir Richard le Poer.[8]
Ca. 1500 Johanna Tobyn (of undetermined relationship) was buried in the parish church of Earlstown, in the original townland of Newtown d'Erley, later known as Newtown Baker.[10]
Sources
↑ Compsey is in the Barony of Slievardagh, on the east border of Tipperary, not far from the town of Kilkenny.
↑ "It appears by these presents that I, Thomas Tobyne, have received the whole sum in pledge upon the town of Bryanyre from Edmund Tobyne which was the sum of 22 marks, and have received the total sum according to my satisfaction on the 18th day of April in the year 1531." (Note from historian: 'Bryanyre' appears from internal evidence to be a townland or estate in the Compsey or 'Comsenach' in E. Tipperary. See deed in this volume of September 9, 1542. The Compsey was part of the former barony of Slieveardagh and Compsey; a branch seems to have settled at Ballaghtobin in County Kilkenny.":
↑Thomas Tobin of the Cumpshenagh [sic] is shown in pedigree (pp.7-8-9) as husband of Eleanor, daughter of "James FitzMaurice [FitzGerald], 13th Earl of Desmond".
James Graves, "The Earls of Desmond", The Journal of the Historical and Archaeological Association of Ireland. Published by the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland. Third Series, Vol. 1, No. 2 (1869):
↑ Sources tracing the family history and showing the evolution of the surname in legal documents include:
Knights' Fees in Counties Wexford, Carlow and Kilkenny, Irish Manuscripts Commission, with commentary by Eric St. John Brooks, Dublin Stationery Office, 1950
The History & Antiquities of the Diocese of Ossory, by Rev. William Carrigan, member of the Royal Irish Academy, 1905:
↑ "Men of Name [in the province of Munster]: Earl of Ormond, Count Palatine; Baron of Don Boyen [Dunboyne]; Sir Tobot [Tibbot/Theobald] Butler of Cayer [Cahir]; James Tobyn of the Compsey;Piers Butler of Grallo [Grallagh]; O’Mulreans [O'Mulryan]; O’Kennedy of Ormonde; Purcell, Baron Loughmaye [Loughmoe]; Cantwell." (Carew MSS, Lambeth Palace Library, Vol. 621 p. 106):
The Butlers of County Clare by Sir Henry Blackall, Appendix V: Survey of Ireland, 1574
↑ Besides being father-in-law of the 9th Earl of Ormond, "Captain James Tobin" was a close ally of his successor Thomas Butler, 10th Earl of Ormond, and accompanied him in 1600 to a meeting with chieftain Owmy mac Rory O'More (son of famous Irish rebel Rory Oge O'More). Others who supported the 10th Earl at this meeting were Sir George Carew; Donough O'Brien, Earl of Thomond; Pierce Butler; Brian MacDonough Kavanagh; a lawyer named Philip Comerford of Kilkenny; and other citizens of that town. On the opposing team (accompanying Owny mac Rory O'More) were the Rev. James Archer; Shane Oge MacGillapatrick, nephew of the Earl of Ossory; Melaghlin O'More; and others. Sir George Carew here offers a detailed account of the meeting, at which Owny O'More kidnapped the 10th Earl of Ormond as a bargaining chip in a later exchange of hostages:
Hi I am wondering whether the St Aubyns of Devon are connected to the St Aubyns/Tobins of Co. Kilkenny and Co. Tipperary?
Also it seems St Michael's Mount in Cornwall is almost a copy of the one in Normandy, France.
As my lot were born in Co. Kilkenny, there may well be a connection, but 1405 is a long way back. It seems I am 24 degrees from Tom Tobin b. 1485. The connection comes through the Brodribb family.
Hi I am wondering whether my line of Tobins are connected in any way.
I have found 3 possible fathers for my Thomas Tobin: Thomas b. 25 June 1800 F: Richard Tobin M: Betty Walsh b. Thomastown Co Kilkenny
Thomas b. 9 Dec 1799 F: Richard Tobin M: Bridget McGrath b. Tullow, Thomastown
Thomas b. 16 April 1804 F: James Tobin M: Judith Darmody b. Thomastown
My Thomas m. Catherine Bryan - 3 possible parents Catherine b. 25 April 1803 F: John Bryan M: Nancy Shea b. Thomastown
Catherine b. 7 June 1804 F: Michael Bryan M: Patty Roach b. St Patrick's
Catherine b. 13 November 1804 F: John Bryan M: Bridget Smyth, Thomastown
Is the information above connected to: Mauger de Sancto Albino b. 1180 Georgeham, Devonshire, England whose son was Stephen de Sancto-Albino circa 1240-1316 whose son married Isabella de Pidekeswell.
In the BRYAN line (which could also connect with my ancestors) Sir Guy de Bryan m: Joan Carew b. 1313 d. 1348. There is also a Philip de Bryan who married Joan Chudleigh de Pomeroy whose first marriage was to John St Aubyn born about 1352-1383.
I believe that my direct ancestors come from Thomas Tobin who m. Catherine Bryan both being born in Thomastown after extensive research done on NLI.
You've got some very interesting surnames in that list -- McGrath, Bryan, Shea. All big surnames in Ireland in the 1500s-1600s. Meaning you must have relatives out there.
In order to get the ball rolling, my suggestion would be to create Wikitree profiles of all these people from the 1800s (assuming they don't already exist on Wikitree) -- including reliable links to where you discovered their names. Church registries, historical documents etc.
Then the pieces of the puzzle will slowly fit together -- and cousins of yours will find those Wikitree profiles when doing their own research, and can add new information. It might seem a bit arduous to create those profiles. But even if they turn out not to be your direct relatives, somebody else out there, someday, will love you for doing so.
Just a comment: Wikitree wants solid sources, which means they don't want someone's private tree on Ancestry, Geni, Geneanet etc to be the sole basis of information.
Best of luck and curious to hear what you discover along the way.
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Also it seems St Michael's Mount in Cornwall is almost a copy of the one in Normandy, France.
As my lot were born in Co. Kilkenny, there may well be a connection, but 1405 is a long way back. It seems I am 24 degrees from Tom Tobin b. 1485. The connection comes through the Brodribb family.
Thank you Nick.
I have found 3 possible fathers for my Thomas Tobin: Thomas b. 25 June 1800 F: Richard Tobin M: Betty Walsh b. Thomastown Co Kilkenny Thomas b. 9 Dec 1799 F: Richard Tobin M: Bridget McGrath b. Tullow, Thomastown Thomas b. 16 April 1804 F: James Tobin M: Judith Darmody b. Thomastown My Thomas m. Catherine Bryan - 3 possible parents Catherine b. 25 April 1803 F: John Bryan M: Nancy Shea b. Thomastown Catherine b. 7 June 1804 F: Michael Bryan M: Patty Roach b. St Patrick's Catherine b. 13 November 1804 F: John Bryan M: Bridget Smyth, Thomastown
Is the information above connected to: Mauger de Sancto Albino b. 1180 Georgeham, Devonshire, England whose son was Stephen de Sancto-Albino circa 1240-1316 whose son married Isabella de Pidekeswell.
In the BRYAN line (which could also connect with my ancestors) Sir Guy de Bryan m: Joan Carew b. 1313 d. 1348. There is also a Philip de Bryan who married Joan Chudleigh de Pomeroy whose first marriage was to John St Aubyn born about 1352-1383.
I believe that my direct ancestors come from Thomas Tobin who m. Catherine Bryan both being born in Thomastown after extensive research done on NLI.
Cheers Jane Eblen
In order to get the ball rolling, my suggestion would be to create Wikitree profiles of all these people from the 1800s (assuming they don't already exist on Wikitree) -- including reliable links to where you discovered their names. Church registries, historical documents etc.
Then the pieces of the puzzle will slowly fit together -- and cousins of yours will find those Wikitree profiles when doing their own research, and can add new information. It might seem a bit arduous to create those profiles. But even if they turn out not to be your direct relatives, somebody else out there, someday, will love you for doing so.
Just a comment: Wikitree wants solid sources, which means they don't want someone's private tree on Ancestry, Geni, Geneanet etc to be the sole basis of information.
Best of luck and curious to hear what you discover along the way.
edited by Z Fanning