James V (Stewart) King of Scots
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James (Stewart) King of Scots (1512 - 1542)

James (James V) King of Scots formerly Stewart
Born in Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire, Scotlandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married 1 Jan 1537 in Paris, Francemap
Husband of — married 12 Jun 1538 in Edinburgh, Scotlandmap
Descendants descendants
Died at age 30 in Falkland, Fife, Scotlandmap
Profile last modified | Created 24 May 2011
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Scottish Nobility
James V (Stewart) King of Scots was a member of Scottish Nobility.
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Preceded by
James IV
King of Scotland
9 Sep 1513 - 14 Dec 1542
Succeeded by
Mary I

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James V (Stewart) King of Scots is a member of Clan Stewart.

Early Life

James was a son of James IV Stewart, King of Scotland and Margaret Tudor, the oldest daughter of Henry VII Tudor, King of England and Elizabeth of York. He was the only legitmate child of James IV to survive infancy and young childhood. James V was born on 10 April 1512 in Linlithgow Palace, Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland. He was christened the next day on Easter Sunday. He received the title of Duke of Rothesay on15 April 1512.[1][2][3][4][5]

Linlithgow Palace

James ascended to the throne on 9 September 1513 at the age of 17 months following his father's death at the Battle of Flodden. The battle was fought near Branxton in the county of Northumberland in northern England, between an invading Scots army under King James IV and an English army commanded by Thomas Howard, 1st Earl of Surrey.[6]


Stirling Castle

As the Scots were afraid of an English invasion, the coronation of James V took place with haste in the Chapel Royal at Stirling Castle on 21 September 1513. In accordance with the terms of James IV's will, his mother Margaret became regent for her young son during her widowhood.[4] Margaret lost her regency in 1514 when she unexpectedly married Archibald Douglas, 6th Earl of Angus.[7] French born John Stewart, Duke of Albany replaced her as regent. He was Jame V's second cousin, and second in line to the throne of Scotland behind Jame's younger brother Alexander, Duke of Ross.[6]

Albany landed in Scotland on 18 May 1515, and at a parliament in Edinburgh on 12 July 1515, he was proclaimed protector and governor of Scotland until James was 18 years old.[2][8][7][9] On 4 August 1515 Albany besieged Stirling Castle with 10,000 men, and Margaret was forced to relinquish James and his brother Alexander.[7][2][10] Margaret fled to Linlithgow Castle, and didn't see her son again for two years. Alexander, Duke of Ross, died in December 1515.

Albany was in Scotland for brief periods from Mary 1515 to June 1517, from November 1521 to October 1522, and from September 1523 to May 1524. He left a council of regency to excercise authority in his absence. When Albany was in France in 1524, he promised to return before 1 September 1524 or foreit his governorship. Francois I refused to release Albany from France to return to Scotland. Queen Margaret brought James V from Stirling to Edinburgh, and made him king in his own right. An act of parliament confirmed this on 20 August 1524.[4][11][7]

As regent, Mary was not well liked by many of the Scottish lords. Her estranged husband, Archibald Douglas,the Earl of Angus, was being harbored in England by King Henry VIII.[12] Angus was sent back to Scotland as Henry's agent. Against Margaret's wishes in July 1525, he was given custody of James by the Scottish Council for three months. Angus refused to hand over the king after this time period, and the Douglases ruled Scotland for the next three years.[4]

Margaret and Angus had an unhappy marriage, and lived apart for long periods. The marriage was annulled March 1527 under the grounds that Angus was "pre-contract" to Lady Jane of Traquair.[13] Margaret had married her third husband, Henry Stewart, in March 1528.[14] It is believed that James accepted this remarriage, if Margaret would turn over Stirling Castle to him. On May 20 May 1528, James managed to escape from Angus. Between 19 June and 6 July, James V established himself as the head of the Scottish government. In May 1529, Angus was exiled in England.[4]

Family

James was promised to Madelaine de Valois, daughter of François I, Roi de France and Claude de Valois, Duchesse de Bretagne, in the treaty of Rouen of 1517. Francois reconsidered, and in March 1536, James became engaged to Marie de Bourbon, daughter of the duc de Vendome. Francois I hesitated once again, and on 26 November 1536, a contract of marriage was sign at Blois.[12][15][16] James and his daughter Madelaine were married on 1 January 1536/7 in Notre Dame Cathedral, Paris, France.[17] Madelaine died of consumption at Holyrood on 07 July 1537.[18][1][19] There were no children of this marriage.


Madeleine de Valois by Francois Clouet, 1537


He married, secondly, Marie de Guise, daughter of Claude de Lorraine, Duc de Guise and Antoinette de Bourbon-Vendôme, on 12 Jun 1538 at St. Andrews Cathedral in Fife, Scotland, and by proxy in Paris on 9 May 1538.[1][20]

James V of Scotland and Mary of Guise

James and Marie had three children. James Stewart, Duke of Rothesay, was born on 22 May 1540 in St. Andrews, Fife, Scotland. His brother Robert or Arthur Stewart, Duke of Albany, was born April 1541 in Falkland, Fife, Scotland. On the same day, 21 April 1541, both boys died. James died in St. Andrews, and Robert died in Stirling. They are buried side-by-side at Holyrood Abbey, Edinburgh, Scotland.[21][1][18]

Holyrood Abbey

Mary Stewart, the future Queen of Scotland, was born on 7 December 1542 in Linlithgow Palace, Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland. [22], and was executed on 8 February 1587 in Fotheringhay Castle, Northamptonshire, England. Mary was originally buried in Peterborough Cathedral, Cambrideshire, England. Her son King James VIth of Scots and Ist of England moved her to Westminster Abbey in 1612. She is buried thirty feet from from her first cousin, Elizabeth I Queen of England, who signed her death warrant for treason.[18]

James had at least nine known illegitimate children:

Reign

A story is often told that James V would dress up as a yeoman farmer, and would walk amongst his subjects incognito, calling himself the Gudeman of Ballengeich (the tenant farmer of Ballengeich, a place near Stirling). [26] Thus disguised, James would find out about life from the perspective of his subjects, rather than just hearing what his nobles or clergy told him. He was nicknamed "King of the Commons".[27]

"Hie was called of some, a good poore manis King: of otheris hie was termed a murtherare of the nobilitie, and one that had decreed thair hole destructioun. Some prased him for the repressing of thyft and oppressioun; otheris disprased him for the defoulling of menis wyffis and virgines." - John Knox [27]


Statue of James V of Scotland adorning the eastern corner of the Royal Palace at Stirling Castle.

James was known for his architectural patronage. He spent large sums of money remodeling his residences including Falkland Palace, Stirling Castle, the Palace of Holyrood House, and Linlithgow Palace.[4][28][29] He was also an accomplished musician. He played the lute, could sight-read vocal scores and employed a large staff of musicians in his court. He was a literary patron. The poets and authors he supported include John Mair, Hector Boece, and David Lindsey.[4] James participated in jousting tournaments, and staged many of them during his reign.[4] He was an advocate of the culture of chivery. He was a member of most of the European orders of chivery. The Order of the Golden Fleece was sent to him by the Emperor Charles V in 1532.[30] The Order of the Garter was sent to him by Henry VIII.[31] He was invested at Holyrood House, on the 2ist of February I534-5. The Order of St. Michael was sent to him by Francios in 1536.[18] The insignias of the Scottish Order of the Thistle, as well as the three other orders were all carved above his new gateway at Linlithgow.[4]

The Four Orders of Chivalry on the Fore Entrance to Linlithgow Palace

"The Order of the Garter", "The Order of Thistle", "The Order of the Golden Fleece" and "The Order of St. Michael"

James remained loyal to the Catholic Church during the Reformation, although he was aware of the need for change. But there was a difference between condemning poor practice and rejecting the authority of the Church or its doctrines. He did not tolerate heresy, and a number of Protestants were burned at the stake during his reign.[18][4]

Under the reign of James V, the College of Justice was established. This court was the forerunner of the present day Scottish Court of Session. James wanted to centralize justice and reduce the arbitrary power of the baronial courts. In 1531, Clement VII issued a Papal Bull, granting James the right to tax Church property to fund a the new civil court.[2] It was carried into effect by an act of Parliament on 17 May 1532. It stated that "because our sovereign is most desirous to have a permanent order of justice for the universal well-being of all his lieges and, therefore, intends to institute a college of cunning and wise men, both of the spiritual and temporal estate, for the doing and administration of justice in all civil actions".[32]

James had a mixed relationship with his uncle, King Henry VIII. In 1534 a treaty was signed between England and Scotland. [33] After the death of his mother on 18 October 1541 [18][21], the peace with England was short lived. When Henry VIII broke with the Roman Catholic Church and desolved the monasteries, he asked James to do the same. James refused, and further insulted Henry by refusing to meet him at York. Furious, Henry sent troops to Scotland. The Battle of Haddon Rig took place in August 1542, and the Scots were victorious.[21] On 24 November 1542, his army was defeated at the Battle of Solway Moss.[34] James did not command in person, and is thought to have been suffering from the illness that caused is death.[2] In a letter he wrote to his wife Mary, he states:

"I have been very ill these three days past as I never was in my life; but, God be thanked, I am well ."[35]

In December James was in Falkland Palace at the time of the birth of his daughter Mary on 7 December 1542 in Linlithgow Palace.[21] On hearing of the birth of his daughter, King James reportedly said:

"The devill go with it! It will end as it begane: it came from a woman; and it will end in a woman."[27]

This statement is in reference to his belief that the Stewarts accession to the throne was through Marjorie Bruce, and the end of the Stewart dynasty with Mary Queen of Scots.

James died on 14 December 1542, age 30, at Falkland Palace, Fife, Scotland. [27][36][34] He was buried at Holyrood Abbey, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.[1][22]

Grave of James V of Scotland

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See also:

  • Leslie, John. The History of Scotland: From the Death of King James I, in the Year M.CCCC.XXXVI, to the Year M.D.LXI. United Kingdom: Printed [for the Bannatyne Club], 1830.Google Books Accessed 14 Nov 2022
  • Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/9301796/james_v-king_of_scots: accessed 31 October 2022), memorial page for James V King of Scots (10 Apr 1512–14 Dec 1542), Find a Grave Memorial ID 9301796, citing Abbey of Holyrood, Edinburgh, City of Edinburgh, Scotland; Maintained by Find a Grave .
  • Wikipedia contributors, "James V of Scotland," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, Wikipedia Accessed October 31, 2022
  • Wikipedia contributors, "Battle of Flodden," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, Wikipedia Accessed November 2, 2022).
  • Ross, Stewart. The Stewart Dynasty. United Kingdom: House of Lochar, 2003.
  • Bingham, Caroline. James V: King of Scots, 1512-1542. United Kingdom: Collins, 1971.
  • Cameron, Jamie. James V: The Personal Rule, 1528-1542. United Kingdom: Tuckwell Press, 1998
  • Wilson, Samuel. “Convents, Courts and Coronation: How Mary of Guise Came to Scotland.” Historic Environment Scotland Blog, February 18, 2022. [1] Accessed 22 Nov 2022
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In the Early Life biography, I assume that ‘As regent, Mary was not well liked’ should be ‘As regent, Margaret was not well liked’ referring to his mother.

Also, under Family, ‘James and his daughter Madeleine were married’ should read ‘James and his wife Madeleine were married’

posted by Andrew Hill
edited by Andrew Hill
Typo in the Early Life biography. Margaret Tudor was the daughter of King Henry VII (not VI). The hyperlink leads to the correct Henry.
posted by Andrew Hill
Good catch, Andrew! I've fixed it.
posted by Jen (Stevens) Hutton
Ellen, thanks so much for your work on this profile. Great job!
posted by Jen (Stevens) Hutton
YDNA https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/stuart/about/background

The Stewart (Royal) DNA Project has been designed to cater for men who descend, or believe they descend, from the ancient Scottish family known colloquially as the Royal Stewarts. This family started out in Scotland when the first of the line, Walter Fitz Alan (1110-1177) was appointed High Steward of Scotland under King David I. His descendants became Hereditary High Stewards of Scotland, and the 4th High Steward, Alexander Stewart (1214-1283) was the first to use Stewart as his surname.

Descendants of this line of Stewarts belong to the R-M269 Y-DNA haplogroup and test positive for a specific Y-DNA signature: GATA-H4=10, 406S1=11, 565=11. They also possess particular SNPs below the L21 branch of R-M269, including L744, L745, L746 and others. The two most important branches of the family are the Scottish Royal Stewarts, represented by descendants of King Robert II of Scotland (grandson of Alexander Stewart) via Alexander's eldest son Sir James Stewart; and the Stewarts of Lennox, with some Scottish descendant lines plus the English Royal Stuarts, who descend from Alexander Stewart's younger son, Sir John Stewart of Bonkyl.

Based on data collected from the FTDNA Stewart Surname Project AND the Stewart (Royal) YDNA Project it is now known that their YDNA SNP signature is R-P310 > P312 > Z290 > L21 > DF13 > Z39589 > DF41 > S775 > L746:

  • James Stewart (5th High Stewart) (1260-1309) was Y6071 > S781; and
  • Sir John of Bonkyl (1246 - 1298) was Y6071 > S781; and
  • King Robert III (1337-1406) was Y6071 > Z38845 > ZZ52.
posted by Jean (Tennant) Skar
edited by Jean (Tennant) Skar
I will be working on this profile for the Scotland Project’s managed profiles team.
posted by Ellen Altenburg
edited by Ellen Altenburg
Stuart-7586 and Stewart-2313 appear to represent the same person because: it is the same person, Euphemia Elphinstone was one of King James V mistresses, and her information/children do seem to be all correct, she is already linked from the official profile for King James V, just not as a wife. So it may have got missed causing the newer duplicate. I think it may be an idea to link mistresses under "marriages" (perhaps with a "not married" category or tag?) to save these random profiles, those "landed" scotsmen had so many of them, and a lot of their illegitimate children were actually recognised and carried on titles etc.  :D
posted by ClaireSuzy (Darragh) C
Thanks for finding the duplicate profile, Clare. We'll work with the other profile manager to getting these merged. We don't link them via a marriage if they weren't married for a lot of reasons, accuracy being the #1. Their children, if they're already profiled, will take you to their mother's profile. And hopefully in most cases the relationship will be spelled out in the biographies of both profiles with a link to the other 'partner/parent.' We hope that most of our members are cautious enough to look for duplicates like this before creating them, especially in the pre-1700 and pre-1500 eras. The vast majority of these early "landed Scotsmen" as you call them, already have profiles, so a little more investigation is needed.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
James Stewart King James Vth of Scots formerly Stewart --- really?

Please change the Vth to either 5th, or just V, with the V being preferable.

posted by Melanie Paul
edited by Melanie Paul
Hi Melanie

I'll review this with the Protocol team, but I believe it is in line with the approved Naming Guidelines for Scotland Project.

posted by Amy (Crawford) Gilpin
Thanks for the answers, Amy and Doug (below). If it is per guidelines, I withdraw my request. I guess I was just shocked to see a Roman Numeral rendered thusly. Never in my life have I seen it done so. (And I am supposedly older than Methuselah's grandmother.)
posted by Melanie Paul
Melanie, changing the name as you suggest would be a violation of the Scotland Project naming standard that was reviewed and approved for use. Vth is the correct syntax. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Scotland_-_Name_Field_Guidelines which is under our Project Guidelines and Standards tab on the Project page.
posted by Doug McCallum UE
Hi Melanie, almost endless thought and long discussions went into the Project Guidelines page link which Doug provided, to make it easier to find and track all of the many duplicate profiles of Scottish Nobility, and eventually merge them. With the CLN showing more than simply a surname, and it makes it much easier to do this, as they then show up in a search, and the Roman numerals came about, partly because error settings in WT do not accept numbers in the CLN data field, so Roman Numerals became the accepted choice.
posted by David Urquhart
I was not going to comment here again, but I just have to make it clear ----

It's NOT the use of the Roman numeral that I was questioning. It's adding th to it, which is, so I was taught, never done. It's either V on its own, or it's 5th.

Henry VIII Tudor, said as Henry 8th, or Henry the eighth. James Stewart, King James V of Scots would be correct usage of Roman numerals. Using James Stewart, King James Vth of Scots goes against everything I know.

posted by Melanie Paul
Can

Notre Dame

please be put in place of "Notre Dame Cathedral in the marriage information of him to Madeline to link them?

posted by Lisa (Kelsey) Murphy
Removed these two false marriages from the data fields of James V's mistresses:

Isabel (Grant-3428) Campbell (1514-abt.1540).

Elizabeth (Bethune-82) Beaton (abt.1515-abt.1581).

I looked up WikiTree policy on unmarried parents before I did it. Both parents are still linked to the children. Although I don't think Grant-3428 had a child listed?

Perhaps someone could add a list of his mistresses, with links? Or at least link his natural children to their mothers in running text?

Cheers.

posted by Deborah Shaw
Source: Source: Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume I, page 676 BRUS 16.

James V Of Scotland, King of Scots, born 10 April 1512. His mother, Margaret Tudor, appears to have assumed the regency, in compliance with her husband's will, in autumn 1513. He married (1st) 1 Jan. 1536/7 Madeleine Of France, eldest daughter of Francois I, King of France. She was born in August 1520. He married (2nd) 12 June 1538, Mary of Guise (or Mary Of Lorraine), widow of Louis of Orleans, Duke of Longueville (died 9 June 1537), and daughter of Claude of Lorraine, Duke of Guise. They had two sons, James [Duke of Rothesay] and Arthur, and one daughter, Mary [Queen of Scots].

Thank you!

Why are Isabel (Grant) Campbell and Elizabeth (Bethune) Gray listed as wives? He only married Valois and Guise.
posted by Bill Catambay
I've reversed some recent changes to the name and birth date of this profile. Can people please discuss any future changes and if they want to change birth or death dates and places, please provide sources to back up such changes. Thank you
posted by John Atkinson
Looks like the children on this profile need some help....while he has 4 sons named James, at least one of the sons shown is a mixture....need to protect them.
posted by Robin Lee
Stewart-12147 and Stewart-2313 do not represent the same person because: Mistyped to wrong king
Not to be confused with his brother, Stewart-2311, who has the same parents.
posted by Lindsay (Stough) Tyrie

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