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Elizabeth (Rest) Thorp (abt. 1619)

Elizabeth Thorp formerly Rest aka Thorpe, Tharp
Born about in Englandmap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married 22 Oct 1639 in Oadby, Leicestershire, Englandmap
[children unknown]
Died [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Biography

Based on the date and location of her marriage, Elizabeth Rest was probably born in about 1639 in Leicestershire, England. She married William Thorp in Oadby, Leicestershire, on 22 October 1639. William was of Whetstone about 5 miles from Oadby.[1][2]

Nothing further is known about Elizabeth (Rest) Thorp at this time and no baptisms of children or burials clearly belonging to this couple have been found.

Research Notes

Birth Estimate and Last Name at Birth

An image of the original parish register entry[1] has no supplemental text such as "spinster" or "widow" so the normal assumption is that it was her first marriage and (per WikiTree standards) that she was about 20 at the marriage so born about 1619.

Conflated Profile

This profile was merged with an Elizabeth Unknown who was originally created as the wife of the 30-year old William Thorpe who emigrated from London to the Island of Providence (off the coast of Columbia) in 1635 with 20-year old wife Elizabeth Unknown and 2-year old daughter Elizabeth Thorp. Unfortunately this was a bad merge; Elizabeth Rest was a woman who married a different William Thorpe in 1639 at Oadby, Leicestershire, England.

The source of much of this confusion was an inaccurate genealogy of this family by Sheldon Thorpe[3] who asserted that the 1635 emigrant William was the same William Thorpe who was in New Haven Connecticut by about 1637 as a servant of John Johnson. As Donald Lines Jacobus discussed in his TAG article,[4] this is extremely unlikely as William of New Haven was most likely single in 1637. Jacobus also shows other asserted facts (by Sheldon Thorpe) that were provably wrong. This confusion has led to many people believing that the wife of William of New Haven was "Elizabeth".

To make matters worse, somebody fixed on the 22 Oct 1639 marriage at Oadby, Leicestershire, England of Elizabeth Rest and William Thorp[5] and decided that it represented the supposed "Elizabeth" wife of William of New Haven. William was documented as a freeman and planter of New Haven on 4 June 1639[6] meaning he had been there for more than a year (1637 being his most likely arrival with Johnson) and was not likely to have returned to England to marry Elizabeth Rest and then had a child (Nathaniel) with her by about April 1640 in New Haven.

Was her husband the William Thorpe baptized on 10 Oct 1601 at Claybrooke, Leicestershire, England as son of John and "Ane" Thorp[7] about 8 miles from Oadby? Possibly although at that marriage he was "of Whetstone" between Claybrooke and Oadby and 38 is old for a first marriage. The parish register had no supplemental text such as widower so while this is possible it seems unlikely.

Finally, the name of the wife of William of New Haven is not recorded in any original records (neither first nor last name). Torrey in "New England Marriages to 1700"[8] guesses that her name was Elizabeth but the source he cites is Sheldon Thorpe's book which is known to be incorrect in several particulars and unsourced in all of them.

Disputed Death Claims

A death date of 9 Oct 1660 in New Haven was originally asserted but this is based on the faulty Sheldon Thorpe work (no such death record has been found in original records) and assumes that "Elizabeth Rest" was the wife of William Thorp of New Haven when there is absolutely no reason to believe that this is true. Once again, there is no record of the name of the first wife of William of New Haven and he was extremely unlikely to be the married 1635 passenger to an island off the coast of Columbia while at the same time being the single servant of John Johnson in New Haven, Connecticut in 1637.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Elizabetha Rest in 1639 Leicestershire Marriages Oadby, Leicestershire, England findmypast.co.uk subscription required
  2. "England Marriages, 1538–1973", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N265-YYZ : 12 March 2020), Willm. Thorp, 1639.
  3. "Genealogies of Connecticut Families: From the New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 1", page 484, Genealogical Publishing Com, 1983 - Connecticut
  4. Jacobus, Donald Lines, "William Thorp of New Haven" The American Genealogist. New Haven, CT: D. L. Jacobus, 1937-. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009 - .) Reference Volume 20 (1943), page 237-8 via American Ancestors $subscription
  5. "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:2:97CG-G3Z : 12 March 2020), Entry for Willm. Thorp, 1639.
  6. Records of the colony and plantation of New-Haven, from 1638 to 1649 by New-Haven Colony; New Haven (Conn.); Hoadly, Charles J. (Charles Jeremy), 1828-1900 Publication date 1857 Publisher Hartford, Printed by Case, Tiffany and Company p. 9
  7. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:2:9C9F-WCL : 21 September 2020), Entry for William Thorp, 1601.
  8. New England Marriages to 1700. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008.) Originally published as: New England Marriages Prior to 1700. Boston, Mass.: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2015. entry for William Thorpe Vol. 3 p. 1514 $subscription required

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What sources show her last name at birth?
posted by S (Hill) Willson
The "other" source posted is a database (only) entry, copied below. It reports the marriage at Oadby, Leicestershire, England, 22 October 1639 of "Willm Thorp" and "Elizabetha Rest." From the record, we do not know their ages, nor does the record reflect if this is a first marriage for either party or both parties; however, is this 1639 English marriage record compatible with the 1635 immigrant?

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N265-YYC : 12 March 2020), Elizabetha Rest in entry for Willm. Thorp, 1639.

Profile of William Thorp (1601-1679) reports he arrived in New England in 1635; removed to New Haven, 1637, and was made a freeman there, 1639.

posted by GeneJ X
I would say that is isn't likely to be for this couple. Jacobus TAG 20(1943):238 says he likely came as a servant to one of the Johnson brothers in 1637 to New Haven, and was likely to be single based on that. To add to that, their first known son, Nathaniel, was baptized at New Haven May 24, 1640, so "theoretically" it could be the same couple, but for what Jacobus says.

Jacobus also refutes the 1635 arrival date, which evidently was for a different William Thorp, who, together with his wife Elizabeth and daughter Elizabeth, were listed as passengers aboard a ship from London to the Island of Providence.

posted by S (Hill) Willson
edited by S (Hill) Willson
It seems to me that Thorp-445 should be removed as spouse and from this profile and a new Elizabeth Unknown be created for marriage to Thorp-445.
posted by William Foster Jr
Her profile came in in 2014 as Thorp's wife, so we need to consider her profile origins.
posted by S (Hill) Willson
Having finished the cleanup, I believe that William Thorp/Tharpe/Thorpe of New Haven's first wife was Unknown Unknown. As Jacobus points out in the TAG V20 article cited here, no original source shows her first or last name.

The William Thorp who DID travel in 1635 to "Island of Providence", apparently the colony off the coast of Columbia, was married to an Elizabeth Unknown. Elizabeth Unknown was merged into Elizabeth Rest-14 as a result (in my opinion) of conflation and a bad merge. The Elizabeth Rest who married in Oadby in 1639 to a William Thorp has no known relation to either of these two Wiliam Thorps that I can see.

Technically a William Thorp of Oadby should be created as husband of Elizabeth Rest-14 and an Unknown Unknown created as first wife of William Thorp-445.

I have created an Elizabeth Unknown-611622 as the 20-year old wife of William Thorpe (and mother of 2-year old Elizabeth) traveling on the "Expectation" to "Island of Providence" in 1635 rather than trying to undo that merge.

posted by Brad Stauf
edited by Brad Stauf
You are not wrong...heavy conflation and I've straightened some of it out. William of New Haven's first wife was Unknown Unknown.

I haven't been able to find any further records of William Thorp & Elizabeth Rest (if that was her LNAB) at or near Oadby.

posted by Brad Stauf
just started cleanup, the Claybrooke, Leicestershire family has been severed and sourced. I will work on William the immigrant and his wife next but I agree that there are conflicting and unlikely things in his profile right now.
posted by Brad Stauf
PGM project added as co-manager. please continue to manage profile as usual
posted by S (Hill) Willson
Profile Managers: Please check which spouse is correct.
posted by S (Hill) Willson
I removed Thorp-445 but it got added back in again with parallel edits.
posted by William Foster Jr
You deleted the wrong spouse. She married the New Haven Thorp - not the Providence Thorp
posted by S (Hill) Willson
Notice the below comment, I think perhaps there are two elizabeths that got merged by error, one for each of the Williams.
posted by William Foster Jr
Yes, thank you. I did notice that. This Elizabeth has the same birth year and death date as shown in NEHGR 59:372, although that article does not specify her last name. When the profile originated on WikiTree, it was for Elizabeth, the wife of the New Haven Thorp.

Are there sources that show the Providence Thorp's wife's last name?

posted by S (Hill) Willson
edited by S (Hill) Willson
Not that I know of, I'm thinking an Elizabeth Unknown got merged in by error.
posted by William Foster Jr
Perhaps two Elizabeths, wives of two Thorpes were mistakenly merged? (See Thorpe-1125 and Thorp-445.)
posted by William Foster Jr

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