Gilbert (Hay) de Haya Vth of Errol
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Gilbert (Hay) de Haya Vth of Errol (abt. 1266 - 1333)

Sir Gilbert de Haya Vth of Errol formerly Hay aka de la Haye
Born about in Errol, Perthshire, Scotlandmap [uncertain]
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Died at about age 67 in Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Scotlandmap
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Gilbert (Hay) de Haya Vth of Errol is a member of Clan Hay.

Birth

Gilbert was the son and heir of Nicholas de Haya (d. June 1306), Sheriff of Perth and Johanna, of unknown parentage, which is proved by a charter shown in the Erroll Papers regarding the lands of Rossiclerach. Nicholas de Haya and Johanna had three additional sons:[1][2][3][4][5]

  • Nicolas, parson of Fossoway and later, Dean of Dunkeld;
  • John, parson of Errol; and
  • Hugh, one of the companions of Robert Bruce, who had likely sworn fealty to Edward I on 17 July 1296 at Aberdeen.[2]

Gilbert's date of birth has been estimated based upon a charter that his youngest brother, Hugh, witnessed from Gilbert de Caskyngray to Nicholas de Haya of Errol, circa 1293.[6][3] Assuming Hugh, who was the fourth son, had reached his majority by this time, his date of birth may have occurred around 1272, with Gilbert, as the first son, having been born circa 1266. According to Alan Hay in Conquered by No One: A People's History of the Scots Who Made the Declaration of Arbroath in 1320, Gilbert was born circa 1270.[4] Alan Hay, however, did not source this date.

Marriage and Issue

Gilbert married an unknown wife;[7][8][2] the date and location of their marriage is uncertain. Together, they had the following issue:

  • Nicolas, only son and heir, who likely predeceased his father, married a daughter of Donald, Earl of Mar.[8][2]
  • Margaret, married Robert Keith, Earl of Marischal (son of John Keith and grandson of Robert Keith, who placed his seal on the Declaration of Arbroath).[9][10] Not all reviewed sources named Margaret as a daughter of Gilbert Hay.

Notable Events

Sir[11][12] Gilbert swore fealty and renounced French allegiance to Edward I, King of England, at Aberdeen on 16 July 1296. He also signed the Ragman Roll at Berwick-Upon-Tweed on 28 August 1296.[13][11][14][4] Given Gilbert's presumed loyalty, in 1304/5 Edward remitted a £100 of £400 owed for debts against Gilbert's lands that had been ravaged during the Wars of Scottish Independence. The King also allowed Gilbert to repay these debts at a rate of 20 merks annually, as long as he maintained good behavior.[2][15][4] Yet, by March of 1306, and despite Edward's generous allotment, Gilbert switched allegiance to Robert Bruce; an allegiance to which he remained faithful throughout the remainder of his life. The reason for Gilbert's change of heart is not known, but it is possible that Gilbert didn't believe the English king's remittance was quite so generous, but instead a means for the king to maintain his iron grip on Scottish nobility. In any event, in apoplectic rage for this betrayal, Edward I ordered Aymer de Valence, Earl of Pembroke, to plunder, burn, and otherwise raze Sir Gilbert's lands.[2][16][4][17] Whether this razing took place or not is uncertain, although it likely did, but by June of 1306, Gilbert succeeded to the barony of Errol in the sheriffdom of Perth.[4]

After Bruce's murder of John Comyn on 10 February 1306 and his ensuing coronation on 25 March 1306, Edward I one again vowed revenge. In retaliation, King Edward's forces surprised Bruce's army and attacked on 19 June 1306 at the Battle of Methven, soundly routing Bruce's troops.[4][18] Escaping into the night, Bruce; Gilbert de Hay; Edward, Earl of Athole; Sir James Douglas; Sir Nigel Campbell; and others took refuge in the mountains of Athole.[19][18][4] Although finding safe haven, the hardship and privation finally forced these comrades to Aberdeen, where many were joined by their wives. Their stay, however, was short-lived and again Bruce and his supporters, with wives in tow, fled to the countryside near the source of the river Tay.[18] But ever pursued, Bruce and his companions were compelled to push on, but for nought, for when they arrived at the borders of Argyll they were assailed by 1,000-plus troops loyal to the Comyns and the Battle of Dalrigh ensued.[18] During the attack, Gilbert and James Douglas were injured and narrowly escaped with Bruce. Afterward, the wives were wisely escorted by Nigel and Edward Bruce to Kildrummie Castle.[18]

Old Slains Castle

In 1308, Gilbert, Neil Campbell, Sir Alexander Seton and other Bruce loyalists swore allegiance to defend Bruce's claim to the crown and the independence of Scotland against all enemies English, French, and Scot. To confirm this allegiance "to the last of their bloodes and fortunes," they placed their seals on a writ at Cambuskenneth on 9 September 1308.[20][21][4] In reward for Gilbert's fidelity, Bruce named him Constable of Scotland, a heritable office conferred upon him by a royal charter dated 5 October 1308.[12][4] His position was again confirmed in a letter dated 16 March 1308/09[22] to Philip the Fair, King of France, with Bruce also announcing Gilbert's office in a donation made to the Abbey of Scone.[7][21][2] This was an office of great responsibility, where Gilbert commanded the royal bodyguard that ensured the king's personal safety and served as the martial judge within the royal court and household.[23] As Gilbert's crown responsibilities increased, so too did his prosperity, where he was recognized for his capable service in a 1308 charter by Bruce and granted the estates of Slains in Buchan, following the final defeat of the Comyns.[2][24] Slains seems to have immediately become the primary seat of Gilbert and remains the seat of the Hays family to the present day.[4]

In support of the Scottish cause, in 1312 Gilbert resigned the office of Constable to David Strathbogie, Earl of Athole and son-in-law of John Comyn - an unlikely, but desired Bruce convert. David's fidelity was short-lived, however, and in 1314 he fell from grace by switching allegiance to the English king during the Battle of Bannockburnon. Gilbert too fought this battle, where he commanded 1,000 troops and in the thick of the fight, reportedly had his horse killed beneath him.[4][25] Following this greatest of Scottish victories, Edward II provided safe conduct on 18 September 1314, for Gilbert de Hay, Robert Keith, and Roger Kilpatrick, as Scotland's ambassadors to England to negotiate peace.[4][2] Foiled, they again attempted negotiation with Edward at Durham, a private shire in northeastern England, and were again unsuccessful.[26][20] It is unknown whether Gilbert was involved in the post-Bannockburn negotiations that resulted in the English prisoner release of Bruce's wife, Queen Elizabeth, his sister Christian Bruce, and others,[27] but on 12 November 1314 at Cambuskenneth, Bruce restored Gilbert to the office of Constabulary of Scotland, confirmed by charter to Gilbert and his heirs in perpetuity.[4][28] Ever devoted to the Scottish king, Gilbert had become "one of the most faithful of all his [Bruce's] followers." He, as well as the Earl of Lennox, James Douglas, and Neil Campbell were described as Bruce's "inseparable companions everywhere in all his [Bruce's] troubles and wanderings."[29][17]

Declaration of Arbroath

Declaration of Arbroath

Frustrated by the bitter years of the Wars of Scottish Independence, Gilbert, along with eight earls, 31 barons, and others, placed their seals on the Declaration of Arbroath on 6 April 1320.[30][31] In this letter written to Pope John XXII, the Scottish nobles decried English aggression perpetrated by Edward I and his son, Edward II, demanded sovereignty, and acknowledgement of Robert Bruce as king. Moreover, the Scots implored the Pope for absolution of Bruce's excommunication, with the right to select their own king should Bruce not fulfill his sovereign duties.[31] Sent in April, the Declaration was received by the Pope between 16 June and 29 July.[32] On 10 August 1320, the Pope informed Edward II that a Scottish envoy had arrived at the papal court to address the issue of "the nobleman Robert called Bruce who calls himself king of Scotland."[32] Yet, despite the Pope's pleas to Edward for rapprochement, Scottish independence was not forthcoming; it was not until the short-lived treaty of Edinburgh-Northampton in 1328, for which Gilbert was present, that the young English king, Edward III, acceded to the terms of the Declaration of Arbroath, granting Scotland its long-pursued sovereignty.[32][31][33]

In the intervening years between the Declaration of Arbroath and the treaty of Edinburgh-Northampton, Gilbert continued to faithfully serve the Scottish king. In 1323, Gilbert was a conservator of an Anglo-Scottish truce[34] and witnessed a charter in 1326, where Bruce confirmed king Malcolm's early donation to the convent and abbot of Scone.[21] He also witnessed a Bruce charter in 1328 and continued thereafter to participate in the affairs of state and foreign negotiations.[21]

Death

Coupar Angus Abbey

Sir Gilbert Hay of Errol died at Aberdeen in April 1333, and was interred at Coupar Angus Abbey before the high alter of St. Andrew.[35][3][4] Although a table found in the Errol Charters named Gilbert as the first of the Hays to be buried at Coupar Angus, a papal bull issued by Pope Clement VI, which addressed Gilbert's grant of the church of Errol in 1351, recorded that Gilbert stated that he wished to be interred "where his ancestors were buried."[36] Although the author of an 1891 article in the Dictionary of National Biography, noted that"...an inscribed tablet bearing his [Gilbert's] name and a mutilated stone figure of a mail clad knight were discovered about 30 years ago," this precious monument is now lost, with its dust scattered amongst the ruins of what was once Coupar Angus Abbey.[4] Following Gilbert's death, his grandson David succeeded,[34] with the Abbey remaining the traditional resting place until the sixteenth century for the Earls of Errol and their heirs apparent who predeceased their fathers.[37][4]

Research Notes

Detached as immediate family members of Gilbert de Hay of Errol:

  • Richard Augustin Hay stated in Genealogie of the Hayes of Tweeddale that Gilbert was married to a woman by the name of Margaret Fraser, daughter of Alexander (or Simon) of Oliver Castle.[38] This Gilbert was of the Tweeddale branch of the Hays family, son of Sir William Hay of Tweeddale and grandson of Sir John of Locherworth. He was also a contemporary of Gilbert of Errol, the subject of this profile, whose wife is unknown.[39][40][38] Based on this information, Margaret Fraser has been detached as a spouse of Gilbert de Hay of Errol.
  • Barbara Douglas was possibly married to Sir Robert Keith, a signatory of the Declaration of Arbroath, and by him had two sons: John and Sir William.[9][41][42] Evidence has not been found naming Barbara Douglas as a wife of Gilbert de Hay of Errol. She has been removed as his spouse.
  • Thomas Hay was likely the son of Gilbert de Hay of Locherworth and grandson to Sir William de Hay of Locherworth, members of the Tweeddale branch of the Hays family.[43] He was not the son of Gilbert de Hay of Errol, as no evidence has been found to support this relationship, and has thus been removed as Gilbert's son.
  • David Hay was the son of Nicolas and grandson of Gilbert de Hay of Errol, who succeeded his grandfather, as Nicolas predeceased his father. Gilbert had three brothers: Nicolas, John, and Hugh; he did not have a brother named David.[2][5] Therefore, David has been removed as Gilbert's brother and attached as the son of Nicolas.

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  • Matthew Hammond. (January 2012). How many people are in the Ragman Roll? Retrieved from The Breaking of Britain: Cross Border Society and Scottish Independence 1216-1314 (Available online); accessed 25 March 2022.
  • The Spectator Archive. (17 June 1865). The Hays of Yester (p. 10). Retrieved from The Spectator Archive (Available online); accessed 13 April 2022. A detailed, but unsourced, explanation of the Hays' pedigree.
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  • Melville, Lawrence. (1935). Erroll: It's Legends, Lands, and People.




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I have completed the biographies, sources, and citations for Gilbert de Haya-3116 and his immediate family. Barbara Douglas and Margaret Fraser have been detached as spouses (see research notes). If any typos are located within any of these biographies, please correct. If pedigree errors are found, please comment and add sources that corroborate your corrections or recommendation/s for change. Thanks!
posted by Pamela Lohbeck
I will be updating the bio for Gilbert de la Hay-3116, as well as the citations for the children and marriages, etc., on behalf of the Scotland Project's Arbroath team. If anyone has additional information or sources for these profiles, please message me or post here. Thanks
posted by Pamela Lohbeck
edited by Pamela Lohbeck
Keith-1285 is one of the children of Gilbert according to Scots Peerage, vol. 6, p. 33. Nota Bene, her LNAB should be changed from /KEITH/ to /HAYE/
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