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Robert Greene (abt. 1490 - aft. 1558)

Sir Robert "Lord of Bowridge Hill" Greene
Born about in Bowridge Hill, Gillingham, Dorset, Englandmap
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Husband of — married 1518 in Navestock, Essex, Englandmap
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Died after after about age 68 in Bowridge Hill, Gillingham, Dorset, Englandmap
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Biography

European Aristocracy
Sir Robert Greene was a member of the aristocracy in England.

Robert Greene, Gentleman, purchased an estate called Bowridge Hall, at Gillingham in Dorsetshire, the family seat of the three succeeding generations. On older records it is usually spoken of as Porridge Hill, the local pronunciation of its name.

In the subsidy rolls of 1543, Robert Greene of Gillingham is listed as an elderly man with grandchildren. The following book states that while most of the rolls have been destroyed the one for Greene has survived. Footnote 11 is not part of the available pages for preview, one must purchase... "Families Directly Descended from All the Royal Families in Europe (495 to ... By Elizabeth M. Leach Rixford. "[1][2] citing papers from Mrs. William B. Smith (30) of DeCatur, Georgia, as given in "A Family Genealogy" by William Henry Beck, III). [3][4]

See also page 99 of The Greene Family in England and America, with pedigrees. 1901 <https://archive.org/details/greenefamilyinen00bost/>

One of his daughters was named Anne, a very popular name with the Gillingham Greenes. Of Robert Greene's children, two sons were the forebears of the two families of Greenes who settled in America. [5]

Richard was the grandfather of John Greene who settled at Warwick RI, becoming the founder of the Warwick Greenes, and John was the great grandfather of the John Greene of Quidnessett.

Research Notes

Robert was born circa 1499 at England. He was the son of John de Greene.

Children:
  1. Peter Greene b. c 1525, d. b 31 May 1583
  2. Richard Greene+ b. c 1527, d. b 3 May 1608
  3. John Greene b. c 1529
  4. Alice Greene b. c 1531, d. 20 May 1593
  5. Anne Greene b. c 1533
  • After his death, his estate at Bowridge Hill passed to his eldest son, Peter.
  • John de Greene - M, b. circa 1465

Father* Missing Generations of Greene

Important Notes: From dates that have been confirmed and collated with allied families, there is an obvious gap of roughly a century between the dates for the generations of John and his father Thomas to the Robert who purchased Bowridge. Due to the exacting work of various researchers, it has been definitively proven that the Robert of Bowridge was descended from Thomas Greene who was the bearer of the Green arms with the addition of a crescent, indicating from a junior line of descent. Robert also used this crest as did a descendant of his who immigrated to the New World, [surgeon] Dr. John Green. It is unlikely that the missing generations will be found, but the lineal descent has been proven. Missing Generations of Greene was the son of Thomas Greene.


He was the one who purchased the estate at Bowridge Hill in the parish of Gillingham, Dorset. During this time period there were many subsidy rolls taken, but most of them that relate to Gillingham are missing. However, Robert does appear on three of those that have survived.

The first is during the reign of King Henry VII in 1543, the second, in Edward VI reign, 1547, and the third, in first year of Queen Elizabeth's reign in 1558.

The generally accepted theory as to the origin of the name of the English family of Greene is that given in Halstead's Genealogies. He states the Greenes assumed their name and arms from an allusion to their principal and beloved lordship, which was Boketon, or the Town of Bucks. It had a spacious green upon which was yearly held a Fair with particular privilege. Hence they were called "Greene" or "of the Greene" family.

Family Legacy

Bowridge Hill was the seat of the principal family of the Greene's of Gillingham. Robert Greene resided on this estate in the reign of King Henry VIII (1543). It was a typical English farm with flowers in front of the house and the stables and barns behind. According to the Ordnance Survey of England, taxed on the Subsidy Rolls in the time of King Henry VIII (1543)and in the time of the 1st of Edward VI (1547)and the rolls of Queen Elizabeth (1558) was Robert Greene, proprietor.

Birth

Find A Grave.com Robert Greene 1490 Gillingham, North Dorset District, Dorset, England -1558 (aged 67–68) Gillingham, North Dorset District, Dorset, England Burial St. Mary the Virgin Churchyard Gillingham, North Dorset District, Dorset, England MEMORIAL ID 109869833[6]

Marriage

Sir Robert Greene married Elizabeth Worgg Johane Wright (1503-1590) in 1524 in Navestock, Essex, England.

Children

Peter Greene, (1525-15830, son and heir of the estate of Bowridge Hill. Birth unknown but death recorded on 31 May 1583. Will dated May 20 and proved in London, June 1, 1583. No children.[7]

Richard Greene (1527-1608) Birth 1527 Gillingham, North Dorset District, Dorset, England Death 17 Jan 1608 (aged 80–81) Gillingham, North Dorset District, Dorset, England. Inherited Bowridge Hill from Peter. Will dated 10 May 1606 and proved 3 May 1608. Richard had 2 children-Richard, who married Mary Hooker and Katharine, who married Turnor.[8]


John Greene (1529-1560) He was the great grandfather of John Greene of Quidnessett, Rhode Island. His name appears in Parish Registers. He is named in his brother Peter's will as follows: "Item. I gyve to my brother John Greene my donne geldinge. 11 11 4 He died in 1560. He had three sons: Robert of Langham, Jeremy of Gillingham, and Henry Greene.

Alice-

Anne-

Death

Robert Greene BIRTH 1490 Gillingham, North Dorset District, Dorset, England DEATH 1558 (aged 67–68) Gillingham, North Dorset District, Dorset, England BURIAL St. Mary the Virgin Churchyard Gillingham, North Dorset District, Dorset, England MEMORIAL ID 109869833[9]

Research Notes

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  • [10] The story, as given here, for Nathan and Job Greene and their descendants , has been authenticated through searches in town hall records, family Bibles,cemetery inscriptions, newspaper articles, etc. An effort has been made to have a living descendant verify the statements for each separate branch of the family.

6. SIR HENRY GREENE, Knight, son of Thomas de Boketon and Lucy de la Zouch, purchased, 27 Edward III, the estate of Greenes- Norton in Northamptonshire. He was Lord Chief Justice of England, 1361-65, and Speaker of the House of Lords, 1362-1363. He died in 1369 and was buried at Boughton. The wife of Sir Henry Greene was Katherine, daughter of Sir John de Drayton, Knight, of Drayton, Northamptonshire. Sir John de Drayton was eighth in descent from Aubrey de Vere, one of the companions of the Conqueror.*

7. SIR HENRY GREENE, Knight, son of Sir Henry, Lord Chief Justice, and the latter's wife, Katherine de Drayton, inherited the estates of Drayton from his cousin, Sir John de Drayton, son of Sir Simon (brother of Sir Henry Greene's mother), on condition that he assume the Drayton Arms argent, a cross engrailed gules and add the name of Drayton to his own. He was an adherent of King Richard II, who had bestowed upon him the honor of Knighthood. During the conflicts between the King and the party of nobles which was opposed to him, a number of estates were confiscated by Richard. Of these the King bestowed upon Sir Henry Greene the lands of Thomas, Earl of Warwick, Richard, Earl of Arundel, and Lord Cob- ham. When Bristol Castle was besieged by the Duke of Lancaster, Sir Henry, who was defending the Castle for King Richard, was cap- tured and was beheaded at Bristol July 28, 1399, together with the Earl of Wiltshire and Sir John Busby. The wife of Sir Henry Greene was Matilda, daughter and heiress of Sir Thomas Mauduit, Knight, of Warminster, in Warwickshire. The Mauduit family was one of noble ancestry and historic interest.


8. THOMAS GREENE of Isham, third son of Sir Henry and Lady Matilda (Mauduit) Greene, married Ela, daughter of Ankatil Malorie.

9. - GREENE, whose Christian name is unknown, but who is believed to have been a son of Thomas Greene of Isham, is the next ancestor in this lineage.

10. JOHN GREENE, son of the foregoing, was sent, in 1483, by King Richard III as a messenger bearing a letter from the King to Sir Robert Brackenbury, who was then the keeper of the Tower of London. In this letter the King gave orders that his two nephews, "the little Princes in the Tower," should be put to death. Although this iniquitous command was later obeyed by another governor of the Tower, Sir Robert refused to commit murder at his sovereign's behest, and sent his message of refusal back to the King by John Greene. It is a tradition that when King Henry VII came to the throne he bore enmity to this John Greene because he had played even the part of a messenger for Richard III in the latter's wicked designs, and that John Greene fled from England lest he be captured by the King. It is said that "John the Fugitive"* returned to England and for safety assumed the name of John Clarke. There was a vague tradition in this coun- try that John Greene of Quidnesset (the first American ancestor in Mr. Loveland's Greene lineage) assumed the name of John Greene, that his true name was John Clarke, and that he was no other than John Clarke, the Regicide, one of the Judges who condemned to death King Charles I, and that he had fled from England at the Restora- tion in 1660. This tradition, however, appears to have no basis of fact, as it is known that John Greene of Quidnesset was a resident of Rhode Island continuously from 1639, or earlier, to 1695, and could not, there- fore, have been in England when King Charles was beheaded or at the Restoration under Charles II. It has been thought that this tradition, incorrectly applied to John of Quidnesset, really applies to John Greene, the Fugitive, ancestor of John Greene of Quidnesset.*

Despite his change of name, the identity of John Greene, the Fugi- tive, was discovered, and he again fled from England, his further his- tory being unknown.

11. ROBERT GREENE, son of John Greene, the Fugitive, resided at Bowridge Hill, Gillingham, Dorsetshire. From him de-


12. JOHN GREENE, third son of Robert Greene of Bowridge, died in 1560. He had three sons:

a. Robert Greene of Langham. b. Jeremy Greene of Gillingham. c. Henry Greene,-13

13. HENRY GREENE, son of the foregoing John, died August 22, 1578, leaving sons:

i Thomas Greene of Wyke, 14 ii Robert Greene, of whom below.

14. ROBERT GREENE, son of Henry, was the next ancestor in this lineage.

15. JOHN GREENE, son of Robert, was born in 1606. He is the John Greene of Quidnesset to whom reference has been made. It has been said that he was in Rhode Island as early as 1636. Frank L. Greene, author of "Descendants of John Greene of Westerly," pub- lished in 1894, says that in 1639, or shortly before that date, John Greene was living with Richard Smith, who had a trading post near what is now the village of Wickford, town of North Kingstown (for- merly called Quidnesset), Rhode Island. The maiden surname of John Greene's wife, Joan, is unknown. She married John Greene as a widow, Joan Beggarly. Their children were :

i John Greene, ii Daniel Greene, iii Joseph Greene, iv Edward Greene. 16 v Ben- jamin Greene, of whom below.

16. BENJAMIN GREENE, son of John and Joan Greene, was born about 1665. He lived in North Kingstown (Quidnesset), and later at West Greenwich, Rhode Island. His name appears in a list of the Freemen of North Kingstown, in 1696, and he held many prominent offices in the Colony. From 1698 to 1703 he was a Deputy to the Gen- eral Assembly. From 1701 to 1704 he was a member of the Town Council of North Kingstown. In 1702 he was a rate-maker, and in 1703 he was appointed to lay out highways. He sold his land in North Kingstown March 26, 1705, and removed to West Greenwich where he died between January 7, 1719, the date of his will, and March 5, 1719, when it was proved. Benjamin Greene married Humility Coggeshall, daughter of Joshua and Joan (West) Coggeshall, of Newport and Portsmouth, Rhode Island. She was born in Portsmouth in January, 1671. The children of Benjamin and Humility (Coggeshall) Greene were :

i John Greene, of whom' subsequently, ii Mary Greene, iii Benjamin Greene, iv Ann Greene, v Henry Greene, vi Phoe'>e Greene, vii Catherine Greene, viii Caleb Greene, ix Sarah Greene, x Dinah Greene, xi Deborah Greene, xii Joshua Greene.

17. LIEUTENANT JOHN GREENE, son of Benjamin and Humility (Coggeshall) Greene, was born about 1688, probably in North Kingstown, Rhode Island. He doubtless served in the Colonial Militia, as in 1732 he is called Lieutenant John Greene. He resided in West Greenwich, Rhode Island, on what was later the Cranston Farm, and died there, March 29, 1752. His will was dated March 26, and proved on April 25, 1752. Lieutenant Greene married, first, about 1708, Mary Aylsworth, the eldest daughter of Arthur and Mary (Brown) Aylsworth, of North Kingstown. Mary Brown, the mother of Mary (Aylsworth) Greene, was the daughter of Reverend John and Mary (Holmes) Brown of Providence. The last named, Mary (Holmes) Brown, was the daughter of Reverend Obadiah Holmes, the famous Baptist minister of early Rhode Island, who underwent perse- cution by the Puritans in Massachusetts. It will be recalled that Oba- diah Holmes was one of the Baptist leaders who visited William Witter in Lynn, and was imprisoned therefor, William Witter being Mr. Love- land's first ancestor in that family in America. Obadiah Holmes, who was one of the most remarkable men in Colonial New England, was also an ancestor of Abraham Lincoln.* Lieutenant Greene married, second, in West Greenwich, August 24, 1741, Priscilla Bowen (possi- bly Barney) of Swansea. She survived her husband. It is thought that all of John Greene's children were by his first marriage, with Mary Aylsworth. In the following list the order of birth of the daughters is uncertain:

i Thotnas Greene, ii Philip Greene, iii Mary Greene, iv Josiah Greene, v Anvos Greene, vi Benjamin Green, vii Caleb Greene, viii Jonathan Greene. ix Joseph Greene, 18-of whom below. x Elizabeth Greene, xi Ruth Greene, xii William Greene, xiii Joshua Greene.

1 8. JOSEPH GREENE, son of Lieutenant John Greene, almost certainly by the latter's marriage with Mary Aylsworth, was born about 1725, probably in West Greenwich. He removed to Westerly, Rhode Island, but returned to West Greenwich some time between 1768 and 1774. He was undoubtedly at West Greenwich in June, 1774, where he appears in the census of that place. Joseph Greene was a Seventh Day Baptist, as were all of his children, and many of their de- scendants. It is interesting to note that many of Mr. Loveland's an- cestors were men and women who thought seriously in matters of re- ligion, leaving, in many cases, the beaten tracks, and joining the younger branches of Protestantism, such younger organizations in the Colony days often being, as well, concerned in movements for political freedom. In 1779, or soon after that, all of the children of Joseph Greene removed to Little Hoosick (now Berlin) in Rensselaer County, New York, and it is believed that he and his wife also settled in Little Hoosick and died there. Joseph Greene married September 20, 1747, in Westerly, Rhode Island, Margaret Greenman. She was born Octo- ber 17, 1725, and was the daughter of Edward Greenman, Junior, and the latter's wife, Sarah Clarke. The children of Joseph and Margaret (Greenman) Greene, all born in Westerly, were as follows :

i Charles Greene, ii Luke Greene, iii John Greene, iv Rhoda Greene. 19 v Edward Greene, vi Perry Greene, vii Joseph Greene, viii Olive Greene.

19. JUDGE EDWARD GREENE, son of Joseph and Margaret (Greenman) Greene, was born in Westerly, Rhode Island, March 20, 1760, and was a farmer of that place. During the Revolution he served in 1777-1778, as did also his brothers, Charles and John, in Colo- nel John Topham's Regiment in Rhode Island. Not long after this he removed, as did all his brothers and sisters, and probably, as stated above, his parents, to what is now Berlin, Rensselaer County, New York, the place then being called Little Hoosick. From that place he again entered the Revolutionary Army and served in 1780-1781, as did also several of his brothers. He was a member of the Company of Captain Samuel Shaw, in the Sixth Albany Regiment, commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Henry K. Van Rensselaer. The date of his re- moval from Little Hoosick is unknown, but it is probable that he lived for a short time in Adams, Jefferson County, New York, later settling in Brookf ield, Madison County, New York, where he was living during the War of 1812, in which he served as a Captain, as did also several of his sons. About the year 1816 he removed to Alfred, Allegany County, New York, accompanied by all of his children except Luke, the eldest, who had already gone to Alfred. There Edward Greene bought a farm where he spent the rest of his life. He was the first Judge of Madison County and is said to have been "a man vigorous in mind and in body." He was certainly an ancestor of whom to be proud a patriot who fought for his country's independence in the War of the Revolution, and for her defense in the War of 1812.

Judge Greene died in Alfred, New York, February 24, 1845. He married, probably in Rhode Island in 1778, Huldah Sweet. She was born January 29, 1758, and died in Alfred, New York, March 16, 1839. No definite record of her ancestry has been found, but she is said to have been a sister of John Sweet, of Williamstown, Massachusetts, and of Jeremiah and Thomas Sweet, who served in the same Company and Regiment as did her husband, Edward Greene, after the latter's re- moval to New York State, i. e., the Sixth Albany Regiment, under Lieutenant Colonel Henry K. Van Rensselaer. Two of the sons of Judge Edward and Huldah (Sweet) Greene were named Jeremiah and Thomas.

The children of Judge Edward and Huldah ( Sweet) Greene were :

i Luke Greene, born July 19, 1779; married Nancy Murphy, ii Rhoda Greene, born about 1782; married in Brookfield, New York, Stephen Dye, the eldest son of Richard Dye; and had two daughters, Amy, who married Isaac Fellows, and who liven in the West, and Phoebe, who died in Alfred, New York, aged nineteen, iii Jeremy Greene, born March 28, 1784; married Lucy Crandall. iv Paris Greene, born November 23, 1785; married Polly Sweet, v Perry Greene, born May 6, 1790; married Hannah Tooley. 20 vi Polly Greene, vii Sally Greene, born in 1792 or 1793; married Joseph Clair. viii Huldah Greene, born July 13, 1797; married Doctor William Moon, ix Edward Greene, born March in 1799; married Sarah Peckham. x Thomas Greene, born May 20, 1802; married, first, Lois Greene, and, second, Rhoda M. Berry.

20. POLLY GREENE, the daughter of Judge Edward and Hulda (Sweet) Greene, was born May 10, 1791, in Brookfield, Madi- son County, New York, and died in Scio, Allegany County, New York, January 29, 1849. She married in Brookfield, in 1811, Clark Witter, the son of Weeden and Tacy (Witter) Witter. As has been stated above, under the Witter family, Polly (Greene) Witter was the mother of Polly Ann Witter, who married William Loveland, Mr. and Mrs. William Loveland being the parents of Mr. Francis Augustus Love- land.

Douglas-11365 (There is another reference to this John Greene in the book, WITTER GENEALOGY, written by Georgia Cooper Washburn published in New York 1929 on page 249: "John Greene, son of the foregoing, was sent, in 1483, by King Richard III as a messenger bearing a letter from the King to Sir Robert Brackenbury who was then the keeper of the Tower of London. In this letter the King gave orders that his two nephews, "the little Princes in the Tower," should be put to death. Although this iniquitous command was later obeyed by another governor of the Tower, Sir Robert refused to commit murder at his sovereign's behest, and sent his message of refusal back to the King by John Greene. It is a tradition that when King Henry VII came to the throne he bore enmity to this John Greene because he had played (only) the part of a messenger for Richard III in the latter's wicked designs, and that John Greene fled from England lest he be captured by the King. It is said that "John the Fugitive*" returned to England and for safety assumed the name of John Clarke.. Despite his cha nge of name, the identity of John Greene, the Fugitive was discovered, and he again fled from England, his further history being unknown." *The ancestor of John Greene of Quidnesset. John was at times a fugitive from King Henry, he fled to France for his safety but soon returned to England under the alias of John Clarke, his true identity was discovered and he again fled to France remaining there until Henry died. John was the father of Robert of Langham Jeremy of Gillingham and Henry, who died suddenly on 22 Aug 1578. Source: "The Greene Family and Its Branches", by Lora S. La Mance, Mayflower Publishing Company, Floral Park, NY, 1904, p 34; Gaylord Green, Green/Greene Genealogy, Vol 13; Denny1P@aol. com; Ancestr y.com File 96135.exe; FamilySearch� Ancestral File v4.19).

Thomas de Greene b 1343 Greens Norton Northampton d 1391 m Margery Mablethorpe b 1345 Lincolnshire dau of John Mablethorpe.

Walter de Greene b 1370 m Lady Elizabeth Warner b 1375 England.

Henry de Greene b 1349 Greens Norton Northampton d 02.09.1399 Greens Norton Northampton m Matilda de Mauduit dau and heir of Thomas Mauduit b 1354 Warminster Wiltsh lord of Werminster, Westberg, Lye, Grately, Dychruch and other fair possessions Americana Illustrated, p 708; "The Greene Family and Its Branches", by Lora S. La Man ce, Mayflower Publishing Company, Floral Park, NY, 1903, p 32.

Thomas Green b 1369 Greens Norton Northampton d 14.12.1417 Greens Norton Northampton m Catherine Ella Mallory b 1370 Northampton Gr18-2-1-1

John Greene b 1408, Greens Norton Northampton d 1486 Gillingham Dorset m Margaret x b 1408 Bridgenorth Shropshire d 1450 Bridgenorth Shropshire Gr18-2-1-1-1 494.

John Greene b 1448 Bowbridge Hall Dorset d 1520 Arlesley Bedford m Elizabeth Warner b 1475 Gillingham Dorset d 1560 Cumberland.

John Green was the next-to-oldest son and was a man of prominence in his day. His is the story upon which many of the Rhode Island Greenes base so many romantic tales. He was the one who was a skilled swordsman and was an enemy of King Henry VII who replaced John the Fugitive's friend, King Richard III. John, the Fugitive, had to go to Europe to escape the wrath of King Henry VII who disliked any of the Greenes for their support of King Richard III. John ventured back to an English city in which he was a stranger and was occasionally able to visit his family. During this time he took the name of John Clarke. He became reckless and was drawn into a bout with swords; due to his prowess with swords, he was identified and he fled again; he did not return until the death of King Henry VII. He was the top sword of England. The FamilySearch.org, Ancestral File v4.19 gives his birth year as 1468.

SIR Thomas Greene b 10.02.1400, d 18.01.1462, Knight of Green's Norton and Boughton, Northamptonshire, of Nunnignton, Stonegrave and Ness, Yorkshire. In right of his first wife, of Stone Court in Carshalton, Surrey. Sheriff of Northamptonshire, Knight of the Shire for Northamptonshire. Son and heir to Sir Thomas Greene and Mary Talbot. Grandson of Sir Thomas Greene and Miss Mablethorp, Sir Richard Talbot and Ankaret le Strange. m by 16 Dec 1421 Philippa de FERRERS b 1397 England d aft 1427 + 7 ch dau of Sir Robert de Ferrers and Margaret le Despenser she m2 Nicholas Griffin of Braybrook m2 07 Dec 1434 Mary Bellers + 3 dau dau of John Bellers of Eye Kettleby and Elizabeth Sutton.

The tomb of Sir Thomas Greene and Maud, his wife, in Greene's Norton Church is described on page 43 of Boutell's Monumental Brasses of England as follows: "1462 Sir Thomas Grene and Matilda Throckmorton his wife, Green's Norton Church, Northamptonshire. This knight wears over his steel breast plate a demi-placate, and he has a lance rest screwed upon the armour which covers his breast on the right side. The two pouldrons are not very dissimilar and they are finished above by a serrated ridge some what resembling the back fin of a fish. This appears to be prototype of the passe-guards of a later period. The coudieres are large, and also serated like the pauldrons. About the throat is a collar or mentoniere of mail: the head and hands are bare; the former rests upon a tilting-helmet, now despoiled of its crest: the latter are clasped and uplifted as in prayer. The figure below the waist is drawn in such a manner as to represent the knees as turned outwards: the joints of the armour inside the legs are, consequently and the singularly formed genouillieres with their back plates, and also the tuilles are seen in profile. The sollents are still pointed. Between the tuilles appears the skirt of a haketon, and over this a baguette of mail. The sword is girded at the left side almost perpendicularly, by a narrow belt: and from this same belt a misericorde of unusual size is suspended in front of the person. The lady is in a widows habit: she wears a kirtle, a mantle a flowing kerchief upon the head, and a barbe beneath the chin. Beneath the larger effigies were smaller figures of their four children: but these which were severally labelled Thomas, (???), John, and Elizabeth have all disappeared except the last. Of four shields originally placed at the angles of the composition, two only remain: these bear Grene impaling Ferras, and Grene and Mablethorpe quarterly. This fine and interesting brass was originally fixed upon an altartomb: but this now destroyed, and the brass lies upon the pavement of the chancel. The border legend has been preserved and is as follows: HIC JACET Thomas GRENE MILES DNS de NORTON ET MATILDA UX EI QUI VERO Thomas FUIT FILI ET HERES THOME GRENE MILIT de EADM, ET PHILLIPEE UXIS EIUS FILIE ROBERTI DNI FFERRAIRS de CHARTELY ET Elizabeth UXORIS EIUS FILLIE THOME DNI LE SPENCER QUI QUIDM, Thomas GRENE PATER FREFATI THOME GRENE FUIT FILUIS ET HERES THOME GRENE MILITIS DNI de NORTON PREDCA? AT MARIE UXIS EIUS FILIE RICI DNI Talbot ET ANKNETE UXORIS EIMS FILIE ET HERED, JohnIS DNI STRANGE de BLAKEMERE QUI QUIDM PFATUS Thomas FILIUS PDCOR THOME ET PhilipPE OBIJT IX DIE MEUS SEPTEMBRIS ANNO DNI MILLIUS CCCC LXII ET PFATA MATILD UNA FILIARUM JOHIS THROCKMORTON ARMIGERI SUBTHERAURARIJ ANGL OBIJT (???) DIE MEUS (???) ANNO MILO CCCC (???) QR AIABUS PPICIETUR SENS AMEN."

SIR Thomas Greene d 09.09.1462 m MATILDA THROCKMORTON b d

Anthony Greene John Greene Elizabeth Greene m John Reading Isabel Greene m Edmund Cornwall Margaret Greene m Nicholas Hawte Philippe Greene d aft 1427. Anne Greene m Sir Thomas Pinchbeck Elizabeth Greene m Sir Brian Sandford Joan Greene m Sir William Pickering

Greene, Henry 1550 Gillingham, Dorset, England 22/Aug/1578 Gillingham, Dorset, England 1569

Greene, John 1529 Bowridge Hill, Gillingham, Dorset, England 1560 Gillingham, Dorset, England Arthington, Anne

Greene, John, The Fugitive 1450 Gillingham, Dorset, England Abt. 1520 England Elizabeth

Greene, Robert 1490 Bowridge Hill, Gillingham, Dorset, England 1558 Bowridge Hill, Gillingham, Dorset, England 1518 Elizabeth

Greene, Robert 1574 Bowridge Hill, Gillingham, Dorset, England 1650 Cucklington, Somerset, England 1600 England Joan[13]

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  4. Subsidy rolls do not normally indicate such information - this needs to be verified.
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  6. Find a Grave, database and images (www.findagrave.com/memorial/109869833/robert-greene : accessed 17 May 2021), memorial page for Robert Greene (1490–1558), Find a Grave Memorial ID 109869833, citing St. Mary the Virgin Churchyard, Gillingham, North Dorset District, Dorset, England ; Maintained by Plantagenet Princess (contributor 49922906).
  7. Greene, Walter and Ella, THE GREENE FAMILY of ST. ALBANS, VERMONT,together with the origin and the history of the Greene Family in England and Rhode Island, published in 1964. Retrieved from Seeking My Roots, here's the link; accessed 18 May 2021.
  8. Bickley, Francis B, of the British Museum was hired by Gen. F.V. Greene in 1902 to research the Greene family of Bowridge Hill 1543-1558. Mr H. G. Somerby was also hired to research the genealogy of the English Greene;s. His results are also recorded in: Greene, George Sears, The Greenes of Rhode Island: with historical records of English ancestry, 1534-1902... , New York: The Knickerbocker Press, 1903. Retrieved from Hathitrust.org, here's the link; accessed 18 May, 2021.
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  10. Greene, Walter and Ella, THE GREENE FAMILY of ST. ALBANS, VERMONT, together with the origin and the history of the Greene Family in England and Rhode Island , Published 1964, Retrieved from Seeking My Roots.com, here's the link; accessed 18 May 2021.
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Anyone interested in completing the September merge proposal?

Greene-4773 (L) and Greene-38 (R)

posted by Beryl Meehan
I tried but couldn’t because I am not pre-1500 cerfified even though I originally started profile way before pre-1500 became a requirement.
I've done the merge. I leave it to you to sort out some of the notes.
posted by Beryl Meehan
Not sure why this Green is not merged with https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Greene-38.
posted on Greene-4773 (merged) by Sarah Nagle
Just recently adopted this profile because this Greene is my 11th Grandfather. I did not create the profile or have contributed anything relevant. Was notified in my "Suggestions" that Greene's Birth Date did not match Date in Find A Grave Details. Tried to correct and was denied the process because I do not qualify to change info on 1500 profiles it seems~~~ as for Merging I tend to agree with you, but have no idea who has the authority to do so.
posted on Greene-4773 (merged) by Margaret Ann Mc Nutt
Robert Grene is not listed as an elderly grandfather in the subsidy rolls.

These rolls do not contain information about grandchildren or relationships. These were tax assessments. In 1523 Parliament granted King Henry VIII a subsidy this was taken over a period of 4 years . In 1543 another subsidy was taken with a lower limit of £1 on land and £5 on goods. The 1594 assessment of Queen Elizabeth, had a tax on income of 4 shillings in the pound and on yearly income from land with a lower assessment limit of £1 and 2 shillings and eight pence in the pound on the value of goods with a lower limit of £3. These assessment allow us to see something of the wealth of an individual.

In a published transcript of the Dorset Tudor subsidies, the following entries were found for Greenes in Gillingham

The Free Tithing in Gillingham, 1525

William Grene G18
William Grene Jun G2

(no tithing heading in original) 1545

1545 Robert Grene G1

Gillingham Tithing 1594

Richard Grene L3

G stands for tax on goods and L for tax on land. (W for wages also appears ) Tax was only raised on the wealth that was produce the highest amount.

A Robert Grene appears in the 1545 assessment with a low tax level of G1. The assessment of William Greene, in 1525 at G18 is in the region of that of many comfortably off yeomen in the county. Assessments for wealthy landowners could be very many times these levels Compare with levels elsewhere in Dorset Dorset OPC Hammoon Subsidies and Miscellaneous Subsidies <ref> TL Stoate,ed Dorset Tudor subsidies granted in 1523, 1543, 1593,Bristol,1982 </ref>

Note there are no Greenes in the 1565 or 1623 Visitations of Dorset. Hutchin's (Hist and antiq of Dorset) makes no mention of the family in spite of a very detailed account of gentry estates and families in Gillingham.

posted by Helen (Coleman) Ford
edited by Helen (Coleman) Ford
Greene-507 and Greene-38 appear to represent the same person because: Please merge, same profile managers....
posted by Beryl Meehan
Hi Bob, thanks for your reply. As you indicated, based on the documentation the relation between Rob Greene and his father John Greene can be marked "confident".
posted by [Living Anonymous]
Anyone with access to:

Dorset Tudor subsidies granted in 1523, 1543, 1593 http://www.worldcat.org/title/dorset-tudor-subsidies-granted-in-1523-1543-1593/oclc/16608506

posted by Beryl Meehan
Greene-5005 and Greene-38 appear to represent the same person because: based on description, including Bowridge Green, these were intended to be the same person
posted by Robin Lee
Greene-4773 and Greene-38 do not represent the same person because: Different dates names places
posted by Eddie King
Greene-4772 and Greene-507 appear to represent the same person because: Born at same place, though there needs to be more research on appropriate year he was born, neither currently have any or adequate sources. Please investigate further and merge these profiles. Thank you
posted on Greene-507 (merged) by John Atkinson
Greene-4773 and Greene-38 appear to represent the same person because: Approximately the same birth date, and both born and died in Dorset. Some confusion over wife's name, and neither have adequate sources, but again similar enough to be the same. Please merge
posted by John Atkinson
I don't understand why Robert's suffix is Jr.

Also, if the first wife died in 1522, I assume the second marriage was after that (not 1518).

posted by Kenneth Kinman
It looks like during a merge Grene-23 was previously the father. Is John Greene, Sr. the correct father?

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