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Lorral (Dibble) Richardson (1788)

Lorral "Laurel" Richardson formerly Dibble
Born in Danbury, Fairfield, Connecticut, United Statesmap
Ancestors ancestors
Wife of — married before 1811 in Fredericksburgh, Lennox and Addington, Ontario, Canadamap
Descendants descendants
Died [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Biography

Lorral "Laurel" Dibble was born on the 15th of July, 1788 in Danbury, Fairfield, Connecticut, United States. She was the daughter of Eli Dibble and Rachel Lockwood.[1][2]

Lorral married Thomas Richardson, a widow with six children from his first wife, before 1811, date and location unknown.

They had the following children;[3][4]

  • Rachael Richardson b. 1811 m. Abiram Munro
  • Laurel (Laura) Richardson b. 12 July 1816 m. John McCann
  • Lizette Richardson b. 1816 m. James Williams
  • Joshua Richardson b. 1818 m. 1) Mary Grizzel m. 2) Esther Perry
  • Susanna (Susan) Richardson b. 1823 m. Truman Griswold


Research Notes

Merge of Profiles, Dibble-932 and Dibble-832, But still some Questions

This merge was based more on "burden of proof" where no other explanation seemed to present itself despite extensive searching. Both PMs have agreed that it seems most likely, but that sources still need to be found to confirm the relationship'

Laurel Dibble-832 birth location and parentage were unknown. Her age was estimated based on being at least 20 years old (b. 1788) at the time of her marriage to Thomas Richardson. Laurel/Lorral named her eldest child Rachael, possibly after her mother Rachel or sister Rachel.

Lorral Dibble-832 - b. 1788, was without doubt the daughter of Eli Dibble of Danbury, Fairfield Connecticut. Her family is the only one found (so far), that was in the area about the right time, who had daughters with the same names and birthdates that seem to match the known information on both files.

  • Lorral's Father Eli Dibble was found in the Inhabitants List for Adolphustown in 1799 and in 1801, but he was not found in the 1800 list. After 1801 he was not on the lists for Adolphustown. Where he was living after 1801 is unknown. He does appear in Connecticut in the 1810 and 1820 Census. Eli Dibble dies in Danbury, Connecticut in 1829. His reason for being in Ontario in the early 1800's is uncertain, some speculate that he was a British sympathizer but no proof has been found to confirm this.
  • The youngest of Eli's daughters, Lucy, was born in 1790 in Connecticut. There is a marriage record for a Lucy Dibble, age is about the same, who married Joshua Anderson in Ontario about 1810. That Lucy died in 1870 in Napanee. A reliable source is still needed to prove the maiden name of Joshua Anderson's wife.
  • Francis S. Pringle/Prindle was married about 1799 to Lorral's sister Rue Dibble. He appears in the 1799 Adolphustown census next to Lorrel's father Eli. He was a first cousin of William Pringle who married Lorrel's sister Rachel Dibble. It's likely that Francis S. Pringle (after his marriage to Rue Dibble) introduced Rachel Dibble to his cousin William Pringle (who were then married in 1802). Rachel moved to Fredericksburg where William Pringle lived, and younger sisters Lorral and Lucy may have lived there with Rachel since their father Eli had gone back to Connecticut.
  • Eli's daughter Rachel was b. 1782 in Connecticut. There is a marriage record for a Rachel Dibble of Adolphustown to a William Prindle of Fredericksburgh. The marriage took place on Feb 17th, 1802 in Fredericksburgh . A source is needed to prove that this Rachel is in fact the daughter of Eli Dibble. The Inhabitants list of Adolphustown for 1802 was done on March 1st, 1802 and Eli seems to have left for Connecticut before then. Rachel went to live with William in Fredericksburgh.
  • Where were Lorral and her sister Lucy living during the time between 1802-1810, before they married? If they returned to Connecticut with their father its likely they returned for visits or even extended stays with their sisters, Rue and Rachel, who both stayed in Ontario.
  • In 1811 in Fredericksburg, baptisms of Thomas Richardson's children with a Laurel Dibble (Dibble-923) were recorded. The marriage likely was about 1810. No information could be found about Laurel's birth or family in Ontario. Her birthdate was roughly estimated, assuming that at the youngest she would have been when she married was a least 20 about 20 years old. A source for her marriage to Thomas Richardson is still needed.

Other Dibbles in the area?

Birth Record Transcription Error

FamilySearch transcribed the gender of Lorrel as male from the source, "Connecticut Births and Christenings1649-1906". The birth record only says child of Eli and Rachel (not son or daughter), but she was female. The baptism records of Lorral's children show she was married to a Thomas Richardson and her father Eli, appears on the 1790 Census with one son (which would be son Eli) and four daughters.

Links that don't seem to support this profile? This has no Dibbles or Richardson's on the page it links to??! Correct or Remove?

Sources

  1. Records of births, marriages, and deaths, 1711-1841, Danbury, Connecticut, Town Clerk (FamilySearch) Film #007731324, Image 153
  2. "Connecticut Births and Christenings, 1649-1906," database,
    FamilySearch Record, (accessed 11 February 2018),
    Lorral Dibble, 15 Jul 1788; citing ; FHL microfilm unknown.
  3. *Lorraine (Burley) Nagle, "Wikitree Image File Lewis-35206-6", Data on the United Empire Loyalists", W.D. Reid, Archives Department, Ontario,
    Digital Copy IMAGE,
    Received by mail from Quinte Branch of the Ontario Genealogical Society, Query: Louis/Lewis, John, Mary Richardson
  4. *"Births and Baptisms in Adolphustown and Fredericksburgh", Adolphustown-Fredericksburgh Heritage Website,
    Births And Baptisms, P-Q-R, (accessed 2023-04-20),
    Richardson, Laurel No date, Richardson, Rachael Sep 18 1811, Richardson, Susannah Sep 14 1823

See Also;

  • "Ancestry Message Boards", Ancestry.com, Reply from Lanarast1, (accessed 2023-04-17), Mayflower descendants in Lennox & Addington County, Ont, Posted: 22 May 2010 7:51 PM, Classification: Query, Eli Dibble and Rachel Lockwood,
  • The Barbour Collection of Connecticut Town Vital Records - White, Lorraine Cook, ed. (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 1994-2002) Vol. Danbury, Page 42.
  • Lamb, VanBuren Jr.,"Eli Dibble", Internet Archive (archive.org), Your Ancestors, A National Magazine of Genealogy and Family History, Vol. 7-10,
    Pg 966, (accessed 2023-04-17),
    Eli Lockwood, Pg 966, Digital Image #25/145
  • "Herbert Clarence Burleigh fonds - Family files series - Dibble", Internet Archives (archives.org),
    Dibble, (accessed 2023-04-18),
    Contributor: Queens University, Toronto, Ontario, Digital Images 1-52,

See Also;

  • "Loyalist Lineages of Canada, 1783-1983, Volume 1", Author: United Empire Loyalists Association of Canada, Toronto Branch, Editor: Lynn A. Morgan, Pages 541, 542, Publisher: Generation Press, 1984, Original from the University of Wisconsin - Madison, Digitized 25 Apr 2008




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Dibble-923 and Dibble-832 appear to represent the same person because: Removed from unmerged match, proposing merge because obvious duplication
Just reading your para on Marriage?? Rachel married William Prindle not Francis. And they did marry in Fredericksburgh not Adolphustown. She was OF Adolphustown though. Was Francis the father of William?

"William Pringle; (of Fredericksburgh) born 1776 (1780 according to Record of Lineal Decent of Jennie Alice Pringle), in NY. Went with his father to Lennox and Addington County of Ontario, Canada, to Fredricksburgh Township where he married Rachel Dibble". https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/pringle/1163/ http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/mcdowall.htm

posted by Lorraine (Burley) Nagle
edited by Lorraine (Burley) Nagle
Thanks, I corrected that. Francis S. Pringle (the one in the 1799 Adolphustown census next to Eli) was married about 1799 to Rachel's sister Rue Dibble. Francis S. Pringle was a first cousin of William Pringle who married Rachel Dibble. I suspect that Francis S. Pringle (after his marriage to Rue Dibble) introduced Rachel Dibble to his cousin William Pringle (who were then married in 1802). Rachel would have moved to Fredericksburg where William Pringle lived, and younger sisters Lorral and Lucy probably lived there with Rachel since their father Eli had gone back to Connecticut. If Lorral and Laurel are the same person, that would help explain how she met Thomas Richardson in Fredericksburg.
posted by Kenneth Kinman
Thanks, that helps sort some things out. I have updated Laurel's research notes. Removed the Asa who had the orphaned child. Considered him ruled out. HC Burleighs Asa b. 1760 is still there as he was in the area at the time. Would love to figure out who his children were.

One thing I noted about Rachel Dibble was that we have no idea what her marital status was at the time of her marriage to William Prindle? Pringle?. Dibble might not be her maiden name, even though what you are saying makes perfect sense we should try to find this out.

I just posted the following in the G2G discussion: I wonder if Aaron (usually called Oren) and Laurel (Lorral?) could be brother and sister (children of Eli Dibble) which would explain why both have children baptized at this same Lutheran Church. Oren (born ca. 1793) is sometimes listed as son of Eli (in Ancestry trees), and is thought to be father of Eli Dibble (1831-1911). And I just noticed that Eli Dibble in the Adolphstown, Ontario, censuses of 1799 and 1801 show him with two boys (indicating that son Eli Lockwood Dibble had a brother born after the 1790 Census of Danbury, Connecticut). Oren (b. ca. 1793) in later censuses says he was born in New York. Perhaps a mistake or perhaps Eli Dibble lived in New York about 1793 before moving to Ontario by 1799. Furthermore, Oren's son John Dibble had children named Eli and Lucinda (perhaps named after Eli Lockwood Dibble and his sister Lucinda/Lucy): https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/153723295/person/232233790434/facts
posted by Kenneth Kinman
I have been looking at Aaron/Orin Dibble as well. So far have not been able to confirm his parentage. I did find him in the 1851 census (https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1851&op=img&id=e002357485)

- says he was b. N.Y. and living next to his son John Dibble and Julia Ann Keller. Interesting that John Dibble has named his youngest child Eli L. Dibble. Could be just a popular name. If Aaron/Orin was b. N. Y. then I wonder if could be Eli's child, who was from Connecticut. Also it seems there is an elderly lady by the name of Elizabeth Peters in Orin's household, a relative?

That Lutheran Church did baptisms for the local area as well as nearby US states like New York. It wasn't unusual for Americans to travel there to baptize their kids. But now I see your above note, add that to the 1851 Census I just posted below. I think we may have a connection. I have searched for Oren and Catharine Diamond hoping it would lead to finding Oren's parents. No luck so far. Catharine was son of John Diamond U.E. (according to HCB notes), if so that is a well documented UEL family. Oren and Catharine had a son Valentine. The other info to look for is a second marriage for Oren to Mary Ann Post.
Oren's second marriage was apparently to a widow, Mary Ann (Cole) Post on 15 August 1852, Clarkes' Mills, Fredericksburg, Ontario. This first source below says that she was born 1808, but the second source says she was born on DECEMBER 3, 1811 (an exact date that I suspect is the correct birth date). The first source gives her parents names and information on her first husband.

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/116722800/person/282247690077/facts https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/153723295/person/232233793507/facts

posted by Kenneth Kinman
edited by Kenneth Kinman
Lucy Dibble Anderson was born in 1790 in Connecticut. You say Eli was in Ontario in 1799, but I don't know what source you have that supports that? We would need reliable sources that show Eli, sometime between 1790 and 1799, arrived there. .and to see if the family was in that area around 1804-1811. 1804 is the birth of Samuel, Thomas and Eva's last child. And 1811 is the birth of Thomas and Laurels first known child. Eli is back in Connecticut where he dies in 1829. When did he leave Ontario and return. Which of his family went with him?

Also you might want to look at Lucy again. You say she married Brill after Joshua Anderson died. Yet Lucy is buried in Napanee as an Anderson. The Lucy in the census with Brill says she was born in New York, not Connecticut.

posted by Lorraine (Burley) Nagle
edited by Lorraine (Burley) Nagle
Yes, I will look at Lucy again. The father Eli being in Adolphustown, Ontario was in both the 1799 and 1801 Census. I listed the source in the biography, and I should also put it in the list of sources: https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~saylormowbray/genealogy/censusadolphustown.html The father Eli was definitely back in Danbury during the 1810 Census and 1814 (service in War of 1812). That is also noted in his biography. None of his daughters apparently went back to Danbury, but son Eli Lockwood Dibble did (and was married there in 1808). I just finished doing a lot more research on Eli Lockwood Dibble and he never went back to Canada (instead moved to New York and then to Ohio).
posted by Kenneth Kinman
I am just reading some info on how some of the Dibble's in Danbury were British sympathizers. And some speculation as to this being the reason Eli's family left for Ontario. Unsourced of course. Would like to find a more credible source maybe with a timeline of when that might have happened.

FYI - in your post for help in G2G you gave Thomas the last name of Robertson instead of Richardson

I have redone the profile for Lucy (Dibble) Anderson. The findagrave profile for Lucy (Dibble) Brill is clearly wrong about that Lucy's birth information. And I have changed Robertson to Richardson in the G2G (and that last comment there about Lutherans is very interesting).
posted by Kenneth Kinman
Hi Kenneth,

Wow, this is interesting! I had a look at your information. There is a good chance you are right about the merge, but I am thinking this will take more research to actually prove the connection of Eli and Rachel to my Laurel Dibble.

The only source I have to prove my Laura Dibble married my Thomas Richardson was on the transcription of births for Fredericksburg here - http://www.sfredheritage.on.ca/birthPQR.html, as well as the UEL listing for Thomas which shows his 10 children. Image is now showing on his profile.

As to your sources, keep in mind I am not saying they are wrong, just lacking in details that would prove the connection. And mine are no better!

Your first source from FamilySearch. There is no image, so no way to say if the transcription of the document is in error about the gender. Even if the actual image did Not record a gender, it is not proof that the child was female.

The second source is a message board, and it is unsourced so not considered reliable. Though it is a good lead with lots of info to try and find a confirming document for.

The third source lists Lorrel as a child of Eli and Rachel, but does not give any clue as to gender.

The assumption that Lorrel is just Laurel is reasonable, but not proof. Also even if we could say she was female, that does not prove she is the same woman as my Laurel. I would bet there were more Laurel Dibbles living around there at the same time that are about the same age.

What the fourth source supports is unknown to me as I don't have an Ancestry account.

To give us some time to find proof I will put the merge proposal into an Unmerged Match.

I look forward to collaborating with you on this. : )

Another clue to Laurel and Lorral being the same person: Laurel's children were born at Fredericksburg, Ontario, and Lorral's nephew Joshua Anderson was born within a mile or two in North Fredericksburg and buried two miles from Frederickburg at Morven Cemetery: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/199322527/joshua-anderson

I also added a note to her biography about father Eli Dibble in the 1790 Census showing one son (that would be Eli) and four daughters. Therefore, that proves Lorral was a female.

posted by Kenneth Kinman
edited by Kenneth Kinman
Dibble-923 and Dibble-832 appear to represent the same person because: Same husband. The name Lorral is just a variant of name Laurel.
posted by Kenneth Kinman
Dibble-923 and Dibble-832 are not ready to be merged because: Needs more research
Dibble-923 and Dibble-832 do not represent the same person because: Removing unmerged match - new proposal to merge

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