Elizabeth (Caven) Carmont (abt. 1805 - 1874)

Born about 1805 in Kirkcudbright, Dumfries, Scotland

Wife of John Carmont — married 5 Oct 1826 in Buittle, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland, United Kingdom

Descendants

Died 23 Sep 1874 at about age 69 in Wellington, New Zealand

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Biography

Elizabeth was born about 1805.

She passed away 25 Sep 1874.^[1]

She is buried in the Mount Street Cemetery, Wellington[1]

Sources

If this her daughter, she may have been buried with her as she passed away after her.

1855/333 Carmont Jane Cavin 22Y

the 'residents' of MOUNT STREET CEMETERY, Wellington ... Family Tree Circles https://www.familytreecircles.com › the-residents-of-m... 28/05/2012 — nothing known 1832 - 1855 Jane Caven Carmont - died aged 22, buried here, see below 1834 - 1915 John McCartney Carmont - died in Wellington

1. ↑ A source for this information is needed.

35 in 1841 Census, birth year estimated abt 1806, living in Dalbeattie Main Street

• "Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTR5-13K : 8 December 2014), John Carmont and Elisabeth Caven, 05 Oct 1826; citing Buittle, Kirkcudbright, Scotland, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 1,067,973.

http://www.kirkcudbright.co/historyarticle.asp?ID=315&p=2&g=4

Agnes Carmont or McDonald, of Buittle and New Zealand

The Old Parish Registers of Buittle record the marriage, on 5th October 1826, of John Carmont of Buittle with Elizabeth Caven of Urr. These records also show the death of a child, James Carmont, aged 1 year, at a farm called Allan Bank, not far from the church. The Carmont's had a large family, none of which appear in the baptism records of local churches. It is known that the Caven families of Dalbeattie were mainly Roman Catholic which may account for this.

The 1851 census for Urr parish has John Carmont living in the High Street, Dalbeattie. He is 57 years of age, having been born in New Abbey. His occupation is given a butcher. His wife Elizabeth is present (aged 44 years, born Urr parish) and seven of their children, viz; Mary Ann (20), Jane, (19), John, (16), Margaret (16), Alexander (10), Allan (9) and Catherine (4). Another daughter, Elizabeth (14) is in Dumfries parish, living with an uncle, Robert Sharpe, farmer.

Shortly before the time of the census their eldest daughter, Agnes, who was brought up by her uncle Dr McCartney in Glasgow, had been engaged as a ladies' companion by a Mr & Mrs Clifford who farmed the huge Flaxbourne estate in Marlborough, New Zealand. She sailed on the Phoebe Dunbar and arrived in Wellington in November 1850.

In 1954, in Wellington, she married a fellow Scot, probably from the Isle of Bute, who had gone to New Zealand with his parents around 1818 and had worked on whaling ships and carried on a coastal trade in New Zealand. After they were married they leased 12,000 acres of coastal land and ran cattle and sheep.

Wilst living with her uncle in Glasgow, Agnes gathered a considerable amount of medical knowlege, which she used to help the local Maori population, notably during the influenza epidemics which devastated the region throughout the 1860’s, when she was credited with using iodine as an effective treatment for scrofula. In 1878 Hector McDonald died, and Agnes became postmaster at Horowhenua (1883 – 1894).She died at Opaki, near Masterton, on 28th November 1906 aged 77 years.

As well as bringing up her own family of ten children she also adopted a son of her husband's from a previous marriage to a Maori lady.

There are several accounts of the life of Hector and Agnes available on the Internet. The major source is in a book, written by their son Rod. McDonald, "Te Hakenga; early days in Horowhenua," published in 1920, which is a history of the area in which they resided. For this, and other links, see below.

Notes

Since compiling the above I have found more links of interest. On the blog of Kirsty Williamson, a professional genealogist, there is an extract from the register kept by the Catholic priest at Kirkconnel, New Abbey, of a marriage ratification ceremony at Gateside, New Abbey, witnessed by a Mrs and John Carmont. John Carmont mentioned above was born at New Abbey, and may be their son. The marriage was of Allan McCartney, of Halketleaths in the parish of Buittle, who was then (1813) a doctor in Liverpool. It is possible that the Doctor McCartney in Glasgow with whom Elizabeth lived was connected with this family. There is a gravestone at New Abbey (No.86) remembering the Allan family of Gateside. One mentioned is Janet, wife of John Carmont. The register of marriages for the parish of Edinburgh, from 1595 has the following entry: Carmont, John, teacher in New Gray Friar's p[arish]., and Janet, Lady Yester's p[arish] , d[aughter] of William Allan, wright in New Abbey, near Dumfries 24 Jan. 1791

External Links

Te Hakenga; early days in Horowhenua, by Rod. McDonald, published in 1920 The Kete Horowhenua website Dictionary of New Zealand Biography Blog page of Kirsty Williamson The Edinburgh Marriage Register

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/91248369/elizabeth-carmont

Elizabeth Caven Carmont

Birth 1805 Urr, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland Death 25 Sep 1874 (aged 68–69) Wellington, Wellington City, Wellington, New Zealand Burial Mount Street Cemetery Wellington, Wellington City, Wellington, New Zealand Memorial ID 91248369 · View Source

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Elizabeth was born 1805 in Urr, Kirkcudbrightshire, South West Scotland, she married John Carmont in 1826 in Buittle, Stewartry of Kirkcudbright and had 9 children (including 2 sets of twins). John & Elizabeth and all their family, emigrated to New Zealand to be with their daughter, Agnes, who at age 24, had emigrated to Wellington in October 1850 on the "Phoebe Dunbar" as a steerage passenger as companion to accompany Mary Ann Clifford, the young wife of Mr Charles Clifford (later Sir Charles) to New Zealand for a period of 3 years, where, at the time, Clifford with two of his cousins held large areas of land in the Wairarapa and Marlborough districts. John & ELizabeth arrived into Wellington, via Sydney on the "Marchioness" in September 1857

• According to the 1841 Scotland Census (Scotland's People) of Elizabeth & John's children the following were twins:

Agnes & Mary Ann b1829 & John & Margaret b1834 1829 - 1906 Agnes Carmont 1829 - Mary Ann Carmont 1832 - 1855 Jane Caven Carmont 1834 - 1915 John NcCartney Carmont 1834 - Margaret Carmont 1836 - 1875 Elizabeth Carmont 1841 - 1867 Alexander Carmont 1842 - 1922 Allan John Carmont 1847 - 1931 Catherine Dubois Carmont

Family Members

Spouse

John Carmont 1792–1859 (m. 1826)

Children

Mary Ann Carmont

1829–1854

Agnes Carmont McDonald

1829–1906

Jane Caven Carmont

1833–1855

Margaret Nesbit Carmont Jenkins

1834–1907

John Allan McCartney Carmont

1834–1915

Elizabeth Carmont Manguson

1836–1875

Alexander Carmont

1840–1867

Allan John Carmont

1842–1922

Catherine Carmont Jessup

1849–1931