Edward III Project: Gateway Ancestors - do you have one? (Round 2)

Question

This is round two of an old G2G question.  Round one is here.  The idea here is to find new gateway ancestors.  If your ancestor already appears on the list below there is no need post the line.

Below is a list of 17th century new world immigrants with a recognized descent from Edward III, king of England. The list was kindly provided by Douglas Richardson, author of the Royal Ancestry series.  Links to all of them can be found on this page.

This list currently is 70 individuals representing 55 different families. Of the 70 individuals, 32 settled in the Southern Colonies, 27 in the New England Colonies, and 11 were part of the Quaker migration to the Middle Colonies.

Use the Relationship Finder to find if you have a connection to Edward III, king of England (Plantagenet-70). Does your gateway ancestor appear below?  If not, we will work to prove or disprove your connection.

Do you have a gateway ancestor from a population group other than American colonial immigrants (e.g. Australian, South African, European, etc.)? Post them here or in a separate G2G post and we will create new categories and new lists to track them. The line must be very well documented.

The List of 17th Century New World Immigrants

Barbara Aubrey, John Barclay, John Bevan, Essex Beville, William Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Elizabeth Bosvile, Mary Bourchier, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Stephen Bull, Charles Calvert, Edward Carleton, St. Leger Codd, Elizabeth & Thomas Coytemore, William Crymes, Humphrey Davie, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Edward Digges, Robert Drake, Rowland Ellis, John Fenwick, John Fisher, Henry Fleete, Edward Foliot, Muriel Gurdon, Elizabeth & John Harleston, Warham Horsmanden, Patrick Houston, Anne Humphrey, Mary Launce, Hannah, Samuel & Sarah Levis, Thomas Ligon, Nathaniel Littleton, Thomas Lloyd, Agnes Mackworth, Oliver Manwaring, Anne Mauleverer, Richard More, Joseph & Mary Need, John and Margaret Nelson, Philip & Thomas Nelson, Thomas Owsley, John Oxenbridge, Herbert Pelham, Robert Peyton, William & Elizabeth Pole, Henry & William Randolph, George Reade, William Rodney, Thomas Rudyard, Katherine Saint Leger, Richard Saltonstall, William Skepper, Mary Johanna Somerset, Samuel & William Torrey, Margaret Touteville, John West, Hawte Wyatt.

Comments

Joe, I was able to break the line myself, BUT, how to keep it that way? There’s already a ===Disputed Origins=== section there for him.

- Nancy

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Thanks Nancy. I will have the Southern Colonies project add project protection to the profile.

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Margaret Toshach is being accepted as one of the very additions to the ancestors of Ed. III list.

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I am a Lowe and was wondering if we are related. Edward 111 is my 19th great grandfather.

Nancy Lowe Sitlar

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Appears we are 6th cousins 1x removed.

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THAT IS AWESOME. HELLO COUSIN!!

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can someone check mine Craven-3277. it shows Edward III is my 20th gif but it won’t let me post it here because it’s too long.

Thanks!

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Sheryl, I posted your line in round 3 of this question. 

Your line runs through Jane Deighton, one of the relatively few immigrants with a proven ancestry to Edward III.

The line is good, at least starting from Jane on.  I will leave it to you confirm the rest of the American ancestry.

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Thank you so much Joe! This was fun and interesting and I truly appreciate all you have done. It wasn’t easy answering all these requests. We kept you really busy and you went above and beyond! You are awesome!

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16th great grandson

1. William is the son of Reynolds Palmer (abt.1790-1856) [confident]
2. Reynolds is the son of Elizabeth (Edwards) Palmer (1769-1846) [confident]
3. Elizabeth is the daughter of Cadwallader Edwards (abt.1740-abt.1796) [unknown confidence]
4. Cadwallader is the son of Anne Bunbury (abt.1720-bef.1751) [unknown confidence]
5. Anne is the daughter of Henry Bunbury (abt.1670-) [unknown confidence]
6. Henry is the son of Thomas Bunbury (abt.1636-1682) [unknown confidence]
7. Thomas is the son of John Bunbury (-abt.1644) [unknown confidence]
8. John is the son of Henry Bunbury (abt.1566-1634) [unknown confidence]
9. Henry is the son of Bridget (Aston) Bunbury (abt.1548-1626) [unknown confidence]
10. Bridget is the daughter of Margaret (Ireland) Aston (1528-bef.1594) [confident]
11. Margaret is the daughter of Thomas Ireland (abt.1503-1545) [confident]
12. Thomas is the son of Margaret (Stanley) Ireland (abt.1480-1518) [unknown confidence]
13. Margaret is the daughter of James Stanley (1458-1515) [unknown confidence]
14. James is the son of Eleanor (Neville) Stanley (1438-bef.1472) [unknown confidence]
15. Eleanor is the daughter of Richard (Neville) de Neville KG (abt.1400-abt.1460) [unknown confidence]
16. Richard is the son of Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG (1379-1440) [confident]
17. Joan is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident]
18. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]
This makes Edward the 16th great grandfather of William.

This is for an Australian gateway ancestor,  William is 

William George Palmer (1824-1897) | WikiTree FREE Family Tree

I am however not very confident in this line

Answer 1

Plantagenet-70 Edward III d.1377

Plantagenet-66 John of Gaunt d.1399

Beaufort-1 Joan Beaufort d.1440

Neville-163 Richard de Neville d.1460

Neville-181 John de Neville d.1471

Neville-180 Lucy Neville d.1534

Browne-588 Elizabeth Browne d.1565

Somerset-7 Joan or Jane Somerset d.1597

Mansel-921 Thomas Mansel d.1631

Arthur Mansel d.1638

Catrin Mansel d.1693

Thomas-33379 Anne Thomas d.1717

Dawkin-1 Priscilla Dawkin d.1721

Collins-4064 Charles Collins d.1750

Answer 2

This is from 

• Collins, Margaret Hill and Aird, Ellinor Collins, "The Collins Family" Vol. II The Collins Family in America, Descendants of the Third Son of The Rev. William Collins, Vicar of Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales, Privately Printed, Ardmore, Pennsylvania (1976)

Plantagenet-70 Edward III d.1377

Plantagenet-66 John of Gaunt d.1399

Beaufort-1 Joan Beaufort d.1440

Neville-163 Richard de Neville d.1460

Neville-181 John de Neville d.1471

Neville-180 Lucy Neville d.1534

Browne-588 Elizabeth Browne d.1565

Somerset-7 Joan or Jane Somerset d.1597

Mansel-921 Thomas Mansel d.1631

Arthur Mansel d.1638

Catrin Mansel d.1693

Thomas-33379 Anne Thomas d.1717

Dawkin-1 Priscilla Dawkin d.1721

Collins-4064 Charles Collins d.1750

Comments

This line currently does not exist on WikiTree.  It will be very hard to prove as it is dependent on sources which are not readily available. Do you have the Collins Family book?

We can start with, why do we think the immigrant Charles Collins-4064 was a son of William Collins and Priscilla Dawkin?

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To answer the first question, yes, I hold all 3 volumes of "The Collins Family" by Margaret Hill Collins and Ellinor Collins Aird.

In regard to the second question, the biography on Collins-4064 states the facts found by Margaret Collins on a trip to Wales.  Charles was the 3rd son of William Collins and Priscilla Dawkin, and is given in the will of the said William Collins. Both of Charles' parents died before Charles reached majority age, and he was left in the care of his oldest brother John.  Charles was apprenticed to a cooper in 1731 to Thomas Seed, "hooper", and his wife Elizabeth for the fee of 31 pounds and 10 shillings. This was in Bristol, a main port where sailing ships set out for America.

A record of his sailing, or immigration, was not found, but it is believed that he sailed in around 1734, and disembarked at New Castle, Delaware.  When he died in 1750, he did not leave a will, but an inventory of his estate included a large collection of tools, barrel staves and flour casks, suggesting that he plied his trade as a cooper, in addition to farming and carpentry.

Since he left before completing his apprenticeship, it is not known how he may have paid for his passage to America, which raises the possibility of his coming as an indentured servant. However, no proof of this has been found.

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The Mansel generations are not in WikiTree.  To be accepted each generation needs to be properly doumented.

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The following is from the Dictionary of Welsh Biography. Will it suffice for Arthur Mansel?

Sir Thomas Mansel (died 1631), baronet, who held the offices of sheriff and knight of the shire for Glamorgan and one of whose sons was ARTHUR MANSEL, father of Bussy Mansel, was succeeded by his eldest son, Sir LEWIS MANSEL (died 1638), 2nd baronet, who matriculated at Oxford, 30 January 1600/1 and was admitted to Lincoln's Inn, 5 February 1603/4. Anthony Wood says that he gave £50 a year for several years towards the library of Jesus College, Oxford; he was first cousin to Francis Mansell, principal of Jesus College, Oxford. Sir Lewis Mansel appears to have been succeeded, as 3rd baronet, by his son, HENRY MANSEL, who, however, died young, being succeeded by his brother, Sir EDWARD MANSEL (died aged 70, 17 November 1706), 4th baronet, who was probably one of the most influential persons in South Wales affairs during his period. The duke of Beaufort visited Margam during his 'Progress' (as Lord President of Wales) in 1684 (T. Dineley, Account of the Progress …), Sir Edward figures prominently in the Margam muniments in schedule where, e.g., there are references to his duties as vice-admiral of South Wales; see also the De Gray Birch Catalogues). One of his daughters, Martha, married Thomas Morgan of Tredegar - see Morgan family of Tredegar; the marriage and its after-effects caused the baronet much trouble because Thomas Morgan was reluctant to return from a tour on the continent of Europe. Sir Edward's heir, Sir THOMAS MANSEL (died 1723), baronet, was created 1st baron Mansel, 31 December 1711. Sir Thomas became prominent not only in South Wales affairs but in Parliamentary and Government circles also. He was Member of Parliament for Cardiff, 1689-98, and for Glamorgan from 1699 to 1711. Archaeologia Britannica, 1707, by Edward Lhuyd, is dedicated to him. From 1704 to 1709 and 1711 to 1712 he was Controller of the Household to queen Anne. He became one of the commissioners of the Treasury, 1710-1, and was one of the Tellers of the Exchequer, 1712-4, whilst, like his father before him, he was also vice-admiral of South Wales. He was intimate with dean Swift, who refers to him in his Journal to Stella; he was also on friendly terms with Robert Harley, afterwards 1st earl of Oxford, with Francis Gwyn, and with Erasmus Lewis - letters to Mansel from all three are in the Margam collection in N.L.W. (See also Hist. MSS. Comm., Report on the Duke of Portland MSS.)

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I know Arthur Mansell existed.  When was he born?  When did he die? Who did he marry?  Most importantly, what are the sources for his 5 daughters and who did they marry?

Answer 3

I suppose being Edward III's third cousin, 21 times removed, via a questionable illegitimate child of Edward's great-great grandfather doesn't count!

Answer 4

My wife's maiden name is Winifred Mary Aubrey, but I married her in England and we moved to America in 1986, and she was naturalized soon after. Her father was Joseph Thomas Aubrey, and per the family story, descended from John Aubrey, author of Brief Lives. I've had a hard time developing a family tree beyond the first generation, as her descendants came from various parts of Wales. No idea how she may or may not be related to Barbara Aubrey on your list of Edward III gateway ancestors.

Comments

Hi! John Aubrey, author of Brief Lives, has no known children (he never married).

Assuming this profile is for your wife's father, you might start by adding a biography with known information about him and his parents, with what sources you may have for them.

For a variety of sources about the Aubreys of Wales, check out William Aubrey's profile (gr-grandfather of the author John).

Answer 5

No gateway ancestors appear in mine, but several of "unknown confidence" do:
 

Carolyn Comings and Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) are both descendants of Leonor (Castilla) of Castile (abt.1241-1290).

1. [Private] is the daughter of Sherman Leslie Comings (1912-1994) [confident]
2. Sherman is the son of Harris Daniels Comings (1887-1950) [confident]
3. Harris is the son of Sherman Comings (1847-1913) [confident]
4. Sherman is the son of James Ripley Comings (1817-1908) [confident]
5. James is the son of Sherman Comings (1783-1845) [confident]
6. Sherman is the son of Mary (Cooper) Comings (1753-1843) [unknown confidence]
7. Mary is the daughter of Mary (Sherman) Cooper (1726-1796) [unknown confidence]
8. Mary is the daughter of Mary (Livermore) Sherman (1702-1789) [unknown confidence]
9. Mary is the daughter of Mary (Coolidge) Goodanow (1680-1745) [unknown confidence]
10. Mary is the daughter of Mary (Wellington) Coolidge (1641-1691) [unknown confidence]
11. Mary is the daughter of Mary (Palgrave) Wellington (abt.1619-1695) [unknown confidence]
12. Mary is the daughter of Richard Palgrave (bef.1585-bef.1651) [unknown confidence]
13. Richard is the son of Edward Palgrave (bef.1541-bef.1623) [unknown confidence]
14. Edward is the son of Thomas Palgrave Gent. (abt.1510-abt.1558) [unknown confidence]
15. Thomas is the son of Anne (Glemham) Palgrave (abt.1470-aft.1516) [unknown confidence]
16. Anne is the daughter of Eleanor (Brandon) Glemham (abt.1448-abt.1480) [unknown confidence]
17. Eleanor is the daughter of Elizabeth (Wingfield) Brandon (abt.1430-abt.1497) [unknown confidence]
18. Elizabeth is the daughter of Elizabeth (Goushill) Wingfield (abt.1402-aft.1453) [unknown confidence]
19. Elizabeth is the daughter of Elizabeth (FitzAlan) Usflete (abt.1371-1425) [confident]
20. Elizabeth is the daughter of Elizabeth (Bohun) de Arundel (abt.1350-1385) [confident]
21. Elizabeth is the daughter of William (Bohun) de Bohun KG (1312-1360) [confident]
22. William is the son of Elizabeth (Plantagenet) de Bohun (abt.1282-1316) [confident]
23. Elizabeth is the daughter of Leonor (Castilla) of Castile (abt.1241-1290) [confident]
This makes Leonor the 21st great grandmother of Carolyn.

1. Edward is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1284-1327) [unknown confidence]
2. Edward is the son of Leonor (Castilla) of Castile (abt.1241-1290) [unknown confidence]
This makes Leonor the grandmother of Edward.

Answer 6

18th great granddaughter

1. Jeanne is the daughter of Ruth (Lynch) Lunn
2. Ruth is the daughter of Nora Turner (Bates) Lynch 
3. Nora is the daughter of Phebe (Turner) Bates
4. Phebe is the daughter of John S Turner 
5. John is the son of John B. Turner 
6. John is the son of Henry B. Turner] 
7. Henry is the son of Ann Kimbrough 8. Ann is the daughter of Thomas Henry Kimbrough
9. Thomas is the son of Elizabeth (Bradley) Kimbrough 
10. Elizabeth is the daughter of Thomas Bradley
11. Thomas is the son of Frances (Saville) Bradley
12. Frances is the daughter of John (Savile) Saville 
13. John is the son of Robert Savile Knt. 
14. Robert is the son of Henry Savile KB 
15. Henry is the son of Elizabeth (Paston) Savile

16. Elizabeth is the daughter of Anne (Beaufort) Paston 
17. Anne is the daughter of Edmund Beaufort KG 
18. Edmund is the son of John Beaufort KG
19. John is the son of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG 
20. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England 
 

Comments

Interesting, as there appears to be a good chance that the line is correct down to the immigrant [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bradley-10742 Thomas Bradley]. The problems are in the Virginia portion of the Kimbrough line.  Elizabeth Bradley is said to have married two different men. There was no one named Thomas Henry Bradley so who is he? The Kimbrough's need some work.

That said, I need to go through each generation, but Thomas Bradley may be added to the list of EIII descendants.

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I brought this over to Round 3.  If you comment on the answer then you will see any replies.

Answer 7

I have a relationship through an emigrant, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Morgan-5285

I have not checked this. 

What is the best way to share the descendancy

Comments

1. Thomas is the son of William Morgan (abt.1604-abt.1690) 
2. William is the son of William Morgan (1567-abt.1652) 
3. William is the son of Thomas Morgan MP (1534-1603) 
4. Thomas is the son of Rowland Morgan (abt.1508-abt.1577) 
5. Rowland is the son of Elizabeth (Vaughan) Morgan (1486-abt.1524) 
6. Elizabeth is the daughter of Joan (Whitney) Vaughan (abt.1462-1550) 
7. Joan is the daughter of Constance (Tuchet) Whitney (abt.1440-bef.1470) 
8. Constance is the daughter of Eleanor (Holand) Touchet (abt.1405-1452) 
9. Eleanor is the daughter of Constance (York) le Despencer LG (abt.1374-1416) 
10. Constance is the daughter of Edmund (Plantagenet) of Langley KG (1341-1402) 
11. Edmund is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) 

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Thanks

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I brought this over to Round 3.  If you comment on the answer then you will see any replies.

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Ok, thanks

Answer 8

I have a few direct lines from Edward. Have you looked at Lancelot Bathurst yet?

12. Susannah is the daughter of Lancelot Bathurst (abt.1646-bef.1701) [confident]
13. Lancelot is the son of Susan (Rich) Bathurst (1615-1669) [unknown confidence]
14. Susan is the daughter of Anne (Bourchier) Rich (abt.1572-aft.1616) [uncertain]
15. Anne is the daughter of Bridget (Scrope) Bourchier (1546-1573) [confident]
16. Bridget is the daughter of John Scrope (abt.1515-1549) [unknown confidence]
17. John is the son of Henry (Scrope) le Scrope KB (1480-1533) [unknown confidence]
18. Henry is the son of Elizabeth (Percy) le Scrope (abt.1455-aft.1512) [unknown confidence]
19. Elizabeth is the daughter of Henry Percy (1421-1461) [unknown confidence]
20. Henry is the son of Eleanor (Neville) Percy (abt.1398-abt.1472) [confident]
21. Eleanor is the daughter of Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG (1379-1440) [confident]
22. Joan is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident]
23. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]
 

Comments

The biggest problem I am having is proving that Thomas Bourchier's wife Bridget was a Scrope, and that she was a daughter of John Scrope, 8th Lord Scrope of Bolton. She was not on his list of children when parliament examined the Scrope family.

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I brought this over to Round 3.  If you comment on the answer then you will see any replies.

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So after a great deal of looking, I find no evidence that the wife of Thomas Bourchier had the LNAB of Scrope, and no evidence that John Le Scrope, 8th Baron Scrope had a daughter named Bridget. What I have found is on the page of Thomas Bourchier.

After giving people time to respond, I will be breaking the line here.

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Thank you, Joe.

Answer 9

My husband, [[Strutt-262|David Strutt]] is a direct descendant of Edward III, Plantagenet-70.

20. [[Strutt-262|David Strutt]]

19. [[Lett-429|Audrey Lett]]

18. [[Lett-359|Pittman Lett]]

17. [[Ferguson-10799|Florence Gertrude Ferguson]]

16. [[Ferguson-10888|George Ferguson]],

15. [[Ferguson-4362|John Ferguson]],

14. [[Stewart-11593|Helen Stewart]]

13, [[Stewart-44414|Robert Stewart]]

12 [[Stewart-21480|Alexander Stewart]]

11. [[Stewart-16349|Alexander Stewart]]

10. [[Stewart-16451|Janet Stewart]] 

9. [[Campbell-18199|Anne (Campbell) Stewart]]

8. [[Campbell-16880|Colin Campbell  

7. [[Campbell-6290|Elizabeth Campbell]] or Annas Campbell 6. [[Campbell-1361|Colin Campbell]]

 5. [[Stewart-3215|Mariote (Stewart)]] 

4. [[Stewart-1555|John (Stewart) Stewart of Balveny First Earl of Atholl]] 

3. [[Beaufort-20|Joan (Beaufort) Queen Dowager of Scots]] 

2. [[Beaufort-11|John Beaufort KG]]

1. [[Plantagenet-66|John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG]]

 0.  Edward III. I only just discovered this so will have to to more DNA checking to prove it.

Answer 10

I am related to king Edward lll by my mother. What is the next step to get added to the list of names? He is my 19th Great Grandfather.

Thank you so much for your help.

Answer 11

HOW DO I ADD MY LINEAGE FOR YOU TO CHECK. EDWARD 111 IS MY 19TH GREAT GRANDFATHER. BUT I AM NOT ABLE TO COPY AND PASTE THE INFORMATION ON HERE HELP PLEASE,

THANK YOU,

NANCY SITZLAR

Comments

Nancy, use the relationship finder at the top of the page to find your connection to plantagenet-70. The just copy-paste the result into a new answer. You might have to delete all the 'confidence' stuff after each name as they seem to contain a ton of characters that push you over the 12,000 limit.

Also please put your answer on the newer Round 3 G2G question:

Edward III Project: Gateway Ancestors - do you have one? (Round 3)

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Actually, the result I get goes through William Randolph, one of the few names with a recognized correct descent from Ed. III.  Congrats.

Answer 12

I am direct descendant to King James 111. The connection is through my mother Faye McCoy Lowe. Would you please veritfy and if this is correct add to the list of names?

thank you so much.

Nancy Lowe Sitzlar

Lowe_6149

Answer 13

Needs to be checked
3. Charles is the son of Charles William Harold Martyn (1871-1951) [confident]
4. Charles is the son of Caroline (Lemon) Martyn (1844-1903) [confident]
5. Caroline is the daughter of Rachel (Lakes) Lemon (1804-1851) [confident]
6. Rachel is the daughter of Rachel (Gould) Lakes (abt.1773-abt.1835) [confident]
7. Rachel is the daughter of Rachel (Rashleigh) Gould (1739-abt.1829) [confident]
8. Rachel is the daughter of Jonathan Rashleigh MP (1690-1764) [confident]
9. Jonathan is the son of Jonathan Rashleigh MP (1642-1702) [confident]
10. Jonathan is the son of John Rashleigh Esq. (1621-1652) [confident]
11. John is the son of Ann (Basset) Rashleigh (abt.1595-abt.1631) [unknown confidence]
12. Ann is the daughter of Robert Basset (1573-1641) [unknown confidence]
13. Robert is the son of Arthur Basset (abt.1540-1586) [confident]
14. Arthur is the son of Frances (Plantagenet) Monck (abt.1519-abt.1568) [confident]
15. Frances is the daughter of Arthur Plantagenet KG (abt.1461-1542) [confident]
16. Arthur is the son of Edward (York) of York (1442-1483) [unknown confidence]
17. Edward is the son of Richard (York) of York (1411-1460) [unknown confidence]
18. Richard is the son of Richard (York) of York (1376-1415) [confident]
19. Richard is the son of Edmund (Plantagenet) of Langley KG (1341-1402) [unknown confidence]
20. Edmund is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]
 

Comments

I believe this line is correct.  Many of the profiles need better documentation to prove the parent-child relationship.  In an all English line such as this it is hard to decide who we would call the gateway ancestor.

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Since I emigrated to Australia 6 yrs ago maybe I am the gateway ancestor! Or more likely my grandson who was born here to an Aussie father. He's only 2 so I won't tell him just yet lol

Answer 14

21st great granddaughter

Comments

11. Nathaniel is the son of Elizabeth (Walton) Mansfield (1629-aft.1683) 
12. Elizabeth is the daughter of Elizabeth (Cooke) Walton (abt.1602-1682) 
13. Elizabeth is the daughter of Martha (White) Moore (abt.1575-aft.1648) 
14. Martha is the daughter of Isabel (Bawle) White (abt.1552-1601) 
15. Isabel is the daughter of Alice (Weston) Bawle (abt.1520-aft.1574) 
16. Alice is the daughter of Cecilia (Neville) Weston (abt.1491-1573) 
17. Cecilia is the daughter of Ralph Neville (abt.1475-1499) 
18. Ralph is the son of Ralph Neville KB (abt.1456-1498) 
19. Ralph is the son of Anne (Holland) Douglas (abt.1430-1486) 
20. Anne is the daughter of John (Holland) de Holland (abt.1395-1447) 
21. John is the son of Elizabeth (Lancaster) Holand LG (abt.1362-1425) 
22. Elizabeth is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) 
23. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) 

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This is a very interesting case and my favorite line.  I think it is correct but it is not accepted by the powers that be in medieval genealogy. I have so far left it in WikiTree.

The question is at generation 17, did John Weston really marry a daughter of the Earl of Westmorland.

• Weston 1632 Pedigree Controversy
• Weston / Walton descent from the Earls of Westmorland at soc.genealogy.medieval
• Family of John Weston, of Lichfield, Staffordshire (died c.1550) at soc.genealogy.medieval
• SGM Thread: New Walton Descent from Edward III, first post by Shawn Potter on 11 November 2011.
• SGM Thread: Additonal Evidence for New Walton Descent from Edward III, first post by Shawn Potter on 6 December 2011. 

Answer 15

B. Davine Moore Roberts is the 18th great granddaughter of Edward III

1. Davine is the daughter of Davis Mathew Moore (1903-1988) [confident]
2. Davis is the son of Winnie Lena (Jones) Moore (1882-1962) [confident]
3. Winnie is the daughter of Enoch Robert Jones (1850-1930)
4. Enoch is the son of Susan (Abney) Jones (1827-1876)
5. Susan is the daughter of Sarah (Searcy) Abney (abt.1802-1851)
6. Sarah is the daughter of John Searcy (1770-bef.1806) [confident]
7. John is the son of Susanna (Henderson) Searcy (1742-1778) [confident]
8. Susanna is the daughter of Elizabeth (Williams) Henderson (1714-abt.1794) [confident]
9. Elizabeth is the daughter of Mary (Keeling) Williams (abt.1664-abt.1730) [confident]
10. Mary is the daughter of Ursula (Fleming) Keeling (1650-1700) [confident]
11. Ursula is the daughter of Thomas Alexander Fleming (abt.1605-1686) [unknown confidence]
12. Thomas is the son of John Fleming (1567-1619) [confident]
13. John is the son of John (Fleming) Fleming Vth Lord Fleming (abt.1528-abt.1572) [confident]
14. John is the son of Janet (Stewart) Stewart Lady Fleming (abt.1502-1562) [confident]
15. Janet is the daughter of Agnes (Stewart) Stewart Dowager Countess of Bothwell (abt.1469-1557) [confident]
16. Agnes is the daughter of James (Stewart) Stewart Ist Earl of Buchan (abt.1442-abt.1499) [confident]
17. James is the son of Joan (Beaufort) Queen Dowager of Scots (-abt.1445) [confident]
18. Joan is the daughter of John Beaufort KG (abt.1371-1410) [confident]
19. John is the son of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident]
20. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]
 

Comments

This line breaks at #11.  Thomas Alexander Fleming did not exist (according to his own profile).

Edit: The line has been broken.

Answer 16

have a direct line to Edward III. How to find a gateway?

Comments

We define a gateway as that key generation which allows us to move from one population group to another. For Americans, we generally regard the gateway ancestor to be the immigrant ancestor.

In your case, I guess we would call Thomas Rutherford-1684 (1707-1777) your gateway ancestor.  This is unusual as it is an immigrant at a much later date than we usually deal with. We need to go through every generation and show there is good genealogical proof for every child-parent relationship.

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8. Elizabeth is the daughter of Thomas Rutherford (1707-1777) 
9. Thomas is the son of James Rutherford (1684-1768) 
10. James is the son of Isabella (Alleine) Rutherford (1655-1740) 
11. Isabella is the daughter of Theodosia Alleine (abt.1630-1668) 
12. Theodosia is the daughter of Richard Alleine (abt.1611-1681)
13. Richard is the son of Richard Alleine (1584-1645) 
14. Richard is the son of Elizabeth (Bruce) Alleine (1575-1619) 
15. Elizabeth is the daughter of Elizabeth Gray (1551-1594) 
16. Elizabeth is the daughter of Patrick (Gray) Gray of Buttergask IVth Lord Gray (abt.1508-1584) 
17. Patrick is the son of Gilbert Gray (1480-1541) [confident]
18. Gilbert is the son of Elizabeth (Stewart) Stewart Lady Gray (aft.1460-) 
19. Elizabeth is the daughter of John (Stewart) Stewart of Balveny First Earl of Atholl (abt.1440-1512) 
20. John is the son of Joan (Beaufort) Queen Dowager of Scots (-abt.1445)
21. Joan is the daughter of John Beaufort KG (abt.1371-1410) 
22. John is the son of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) 
23. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) 

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Thanks, very cool!

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Apparently, there is no actual evidence as to the parentage of #11 Isabel Alleine.

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Well, darn. Isn't there a 2nd  line? What about that line? Nope it goes through Isabell Alleine as well.

BUT, skip to Edward I who has 13 lines to me and at least one is confident, through a daughter. Guess grandgfarther of Edward III doesn't count, does it.

Is there a gateway there?

Answer 17

Edward III and Kelly are third cousins 22 times removed Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) and Kelly (Malady) Boyd are both descendants of Isabelle (Angoulême) de Lusignan (1188-1246). 1. Edward is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1284-1327) [confident] 2. Edward is the son of Edward Plantagenet (abt.1239-1307) [confident] 3. Edward is the son of Henry (Plantagenet) of England (1207-1272) [confident] 4. Henry is the son of Isabelle (Angoulême) de Lusignan (1188-1246) [confident] This makes Isabelle the second great grandmother of Edward. 1. Kelly is the daughter of [private mother] [confident] 2. [Private] is the daughter of Doris Gertrude (Belyea) DiNatale (1923-2005) [unknown confidence] 3. Doris is the daughter of Walter Currie Belyea (1897-1973) [unknown confidence] 4. Walter is the son of Ward Havelock Belyea (1863-1937) [unknown confidence] 5. Ward is the son of Lewis Allen Belyea (1829-1911) [unknown confidence] 6. Lewis is the son of James Robinson Belyea (abt.1802-1887) [unknown confidence] 7. James is the son of William Belyea (1771-1862) [unknown confidence] 8. William is the son of Hendrick Bulyea UEL (1720-1802) [confident] 9. Hendrick is the son of Helena (Willemse) Boulier (abt.1697-aft.1737) [confident] 10. Helena is the daughter of Robert (Williams) Williamszen (bef.1670-abt.1750) [unknown confidence] 11. Robert is the son of Hope Williams (1650-1704) [unknown confidence] 12. Hope is the son of Sarah (Washburn) Williams (bef.1626-abt.1694) [unknown confidence] 13. Sarah is the daughter of William Washburne (bef.1601-1658) [confident] 14. William is the son of John Franklon (Washburn) Washborne (bef.1551-abt.1624) [confident] 15. John is the son of John (Washbourne) Washeborne (bef.1518-1593) [confident] 16. John is the son of John (Washbourne) Wassheburne of Bengeworth (abt.1479-bef.1547) [confident] 17. John is the son of Joan (Mitton) de Washbourne (abt.1460-aft.1483) [uncertain] 18. Joan is the daughter of Margaret (Corbet) Mytton (abt.1420-aft.1463) [confident] 19. Margaret is the daughter of Elizabeth (Cornwall) Corbet (1395-) [unknown confidence] 20. Elizabeth is the daughter of Richard Cornwall (1359-1443) [unknown confidence] 21. Richard is the son of Geoffrey Cornwall (abt.1335-1365) [confident] 22. Geoffrey is the son of Richard Cornwall (1311-1343) [confident] 23. Richard is the son of Geoffrey Cornwall (abt.1288-abt.1335) [confident] 24. Geoffrey is the son of Richard (Plantagenet) of Cornwall (abt.1252-1296) [confident] 25. Richard is the son of Richard (Plantagenet) of England (1209-1272) [confident] 26. Richard is the son of Isabelle (Angoulême) de Lusignan (1188-1246) [confident] This makes Isabelle the 24th great grandmother of Kelly. Note: Kelly is descended from Isabelle in more than one way (2)

Answer 18

Connection finder says that I am related to Edward as follows:

Gregg Smith, 1950s - unknown (Me)

Bill Smith 1920s - unknown (his father)

Clayton Smith, 1896 - 1988 (his father)

Jenny Chapple, 1875 - 1957 (his mother)

Edward Chapple, 1850 - 1905 (her father)

Catherine Drury, 1822 - 1901 (his mother)

Olive Chapman,1784 - 1868 (her mother)

Olive Dodge, 1758 - 1801 (her mother)

Nathan Dodge, 1736 - 1778 (her father)

David Dodge, 1691 - 1764 (his father)

Mary Innes, 1657 - 1727 (his mother)

Alexander Innes,1632 - 1679 (her father)

Elizabeth Douglas, 1589 - 1655 (his mother)

Archibald Douglas,1570 - 1618 (her father)

Elizabeth Douglas, 1513 - 1581 (his mother)

James Douglas, 1487 - 1548 (her father)

John Douglas, 1459 - 1513  (his father)

Joan Stewart, 1428 - 1493 (his mother)

Joan Beaufort, ? - 1445 (her mother)

John Beaufort, 1371 - 1410 (her father)

John Plantagenet, 1340 - 1399 (his father)

Edward III Plantagenet, 1312 - 1377 (his father)

Comments

Alexander Innes of Lynn, Massachusetts and Block Island, Rhode Island was not a son of John Innes of Leuchars and his wife Elizabeth Douglas. John Innes had a son Alexander but he lived in Ireland and married a daughter of Rev. Edward Brice, Rector of Balligarry. There is no actual evidence to connect Alexander Innes to any Innes family in Scotland (or England).

I see you recently connected Alexander Innes to these parents.  They will need to be disconnected.

Answer 19

My 8x great grandmother, Anne Skipwith is on Douglas Richardsons list in Royal Ancestry. She's is my gateway ancestor and a descendant of Edward III as well. She and my 8x great grandfather, William Goforth were Quakers. They sailed from Hull on the fly boat, Martha in 1677. Anne's mother, Honora Saunders was also Quaker and died in 1679 while imprisoned at York Castle. I received documentation from the Friends Meeting House in York that she was buried in the old Friends Burial Ground in Bishops Hill, York in an unmarked grave. Back then they did not mark the graves.

Answer 20

Tina is the daughter of [private father] [confident]

2. [Private] is the son of Anna Kathleen (Gray) Cleveland (1918-2008) [confident]

3. Anna is the daughter of Gladys Priscilla (Dane) Berry (1898-1924) [confident]

4. Gladys is the daughter of Alberta S. (Chase) Dane (abt.1864-1902) [unknown confidence]

5. Alberta is the daughter of Lovina (Lyford) Simpson (1841-) [unknown confidence]

6. Lovina is the daughter of David Lyford (1818-1899) [unknown confidence]

7. David is the son of John Lyford (1766-1859) [unknown confidence]

8. John is the son of Thomas Lyford (1740-1804) [unknown confidence]

9. Thomas is the son of Elizabeth (Fifield) Lyford (1716-1771) [unknown confidence]

10. Elizabeth is the daughter of Elizabeth (Leavitt) Fifield (abt.1686-1776) [unknown confidence]

11. Elizabeth is the daughter of Dorothy (Dudley) Leavitt (1654-aft.1706) [confident]

12. Dorothy is the daughter of Samuel Dudley (abt.1608-1683) [unknown confidence]

13. Samuel is the son of Thomas Dudley (bef.1576-1653) [confident]

14. Thomas is the son of Roger Dudley (abt.1550-1586) [confident]

15. Roger is the son of Henry Dudley (abt.1517-abt.1568) [confident]

16. Henry is the son of John Sutton (1496-1553) [confident]

17. John is the son of Cicely (Willoughby) Sutton (abt.1466-1539) [confident]

18. Cicely is the daughter of Joan (Strangeways) Berkeley (1427-1485) [confident]

19. Joan is the daughter of Catherine (Neville) Mowbray (1399-1478) [confident]

20. Catherine is the daughter of Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG (1379-1440) [confident]

21. Joan is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident]

22. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]

This makes Edward the 20th great grandfather of Tina.

Comments

The paternal ancestry of Thomas Dudley is a matter of controversy and is not accepted as correct. It is unfortunate that someone has marked it confident.