Why aren't the Thomas Kendall and Francis Kendall profiles linked as brothers? [closed]

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Francis' will mentioned Thomas at least twice.  Once regarding his eight living children.
WikiTree profile: Francis Kendall
closed with the note: Resolved.
in Photos by Dave Jenkins G2G5 (5.7k points)
closed by T Stanton
I’ve not yet reviewed the American Ancestors link you posted. However, there are two ways to connect the two men if they are brothers. The only way to connect them in the single tree is to create an Unknown Kendall father profile. The other method is to simply mention the brother profile with link in the biographical narrative of each profile.
Thank you.  So. . .the most efficient way appears to be simply connect the two profiles.  But is that not possible given PPP status of Francis?  Thank you again.
I'm the profile manager for Thomas Kendall. Please do not connect them until I have had a chance to read through Francis' will, which I'm planning to do right now.

Edit: I've read through the will, see the Answer I posted below.
Roger that.  Thank you.
Stu, I’ll leave this to you if you are reading the will link. I am PM on Francis.
I see they're now attached as siblings via an Unknown father profile. Dave Jenkins, can you please close this thread? Many thanks.

3 Answers

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You are correct that Francis's will includes the wording, "The Eight Chilldren of my Brother Thomas Kendall, that were living when he my said brother dyed," to whom he gives 20 shilling each, "and this I do in remembrance of the (illegible) I had for, and from, my said loving Brother Thomas Kendall." Part of the section of the will where this appears is illegible.

Thomas Kendall did indeed have eight living children, all married daughters, when he died in 1681. That was 25 years before Francis made his will in 1706, and only five of Thomas' daughters were then living. The illegible section of the will might refer to this, but otherwise I see no provision that the 20 shillings of a deceased daughter was to be paid to her heirs.

I think the will certainly raises the possibility that Francis and Thomas were brothers, but given the fact that there were only five childen then living, I'm a bit uneasy making that claim based on the will alone. I do think that the "disputed origins" section on Francis' profile (which says "other than their name, and presence in early Middlesex County, there is no evidence supporting a relationship") should be softened.

If the PGM project and Francis' PM disagree and think the evidence is conclusive, then I have no issue with making the connection.
by Stuart Bloom G2G6 Pilot (107k points)
I think the language about a relationship could be softened, but I don't think it is conclusive that they were brothers; they may be, but without more tying them together, I don't feel confident enough to create an unnamed parent for them both.
Please forbear.  The crease in the will presented in the link is problematic.  Because Francs' will possibly did not make a provision for the death of any of the eight adult children of his brother and reference to their heirs, this precludes linking the two profiles as brothers?  Where exactly is the bar set for linking these two profiles in the fashion suggested?  I ask how many Thomas Kendalls were there in eastern Massachusetts Bay Colony with eight living children at the time of his death and was named in Francis Kendall's will with no reference to him residing in Old England.  A transcribed version of the will has this portion. .  . . "in case any of the eight children die, the eldest child of the deceased shall enjoy the mother's gift.  I do this in remembrance  of the kindness I had for my loving brother."  This all appears similar to requiring some of today's public officials caught on tape in clear violation of federal law to preface this violation with a quotation of the federal code they are violating before they do it.  What other Thomas Kendall was there who lived in this timeframe, in this area, with the proper boxes checked off who could possible be Francis Kendall brother?  Thank you.
The transcribed PDF version of the will has a link in the comment section of Francis' profile page.
Dave, did you create the transcribed version?  I get that the fold is a problem but it's interesting that the parts that ARE readable do say that "in case any of the said children be dead"..."enjoy the Mothers gift". (the word "be" is clearly just like the same word in the sentence above and the "d"s in "dead" are just like those in the word "said" in the line below).

That pretty strongly implies that all 8 of those children of Thomas were females, right?  I'm not trying to over-reach the evidence but that seems to be another pretty strong connection as we know that to be true and that really narrows down how many Thomas Kendalls we could be talking about.

Maybe Francis didn't bother to check in 1706 how many were still alive, or the families weren't that close.  I think we can definitely add text to the profile describing this at a minimum and we should keep looking for any additional clues.
Brad and Stu, what other candidate exists the beloved brother Thomas if not this one? Were there other candidates?

edited to add: note that both Thomas and Francis use at least three of the same names for their respective daughters...not conclusive, but suggestive.
I know of no other candidates; and I'm becoming convinced that the evidence that they were brothers is conclusive and that an (Unknown) Kendall should be added as their father. Thomas' and Francis' relationship might provide clues to further digging to discover their English ancestry. I'll wait for the PGM folks to weigh in, however, before I do anything with Thomas' profile
I'm OK with adding an Unknown Kendall to link them.  The "Mothers gift" phrase tips the balance for me, that's Francis confirming that all 8 (as of 1681) of Thomas' children were females and there's no way that's a coincidence.
I agree with the above for the Francis profile. This should facilitate additional English research.
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I've added to the "Birth" section on Thomas Kendall's profile a statement calling him the brother of Francis Kendall and citing the proof from Francis' will. I used the copy of the will on AmericanAncestors.org; if someone would like to dig through the FamilySearch probate files and add a reference to a free version, that would be great. Also if someone would like to insert a link to a transcription with the missing verbiage, that would also improve the profile.

I'll leave it to the folks responsible for Francis Kendall's profile to create the father's profile and link Thomas to it.
by Stuart Bloom G2G6 Pilot (107k points)
Thank you

Thank you, Dave, for unearthing this and bringing it to our attention. I'm still somewhat amazed that this relationship has been lying there unrecognized. with the proof in plain sight, for more than 400 years, given how intensely and for how long the first generation of Massachusetts immigrants have been studied.

+3 votes

The profile of Francis has had the Disputed Origins section modified to be in agreement with that found on the profile of brother Thomas. An Unknown Kendall profile has been created as agreed above and attached to both brothers.

A PGM Leader is needed to now protect that Unknown Kendall profile as PGM Adjunct to prevent the introduction of undocumented information regarding this father profile.  Thanks. 

by T Stanton G2G6 Pilot (386k points)
Thank you
Thanks to you, Dave, for bringing this to the attention of the project and profile managers.
I put the transcribed will onto a FSP and added a link to it on the profiles of Francis, Thomas and Unknown Kendall.

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