Dutch Roots prepare for the Source-A-Thon 2021!

Question

The Source-A-Thon 2021 is coming up in a few weeks time. The Dutch Roots Project asks all to prepare for this great event by marking unsourced profiles as such.

Unsourced profiles are profiles with no valid sources according to the WikiTree rules of sourcing. When the {{Unsourced}} template is present on a profile, it will show up in the list of unsourced profiles we will be working on and in the menu of the profile manager under Find>Unsourced Profiles, which is a great help to the profile manager.

Profiles without primary sources, eg those with only other trees mentioned on it, can be marked with the Dutch Roots sticker and needs=Birth and/or needs=More Records, depending on the missing sources.

Nederlands
Het Dutch Roots team roept iedereen op om te helpen met het markeren van Nederlandse profielen zonder bronnen. Dit doen we om een zo compleet mogelijk overzicht te hebben van deze profielen voor de komende Source-A-Thon 2021. De profielen met de {{Unsourced}} markering komen in het overzicht zoals hier en in het menu van de profiel beheerder.

Unsourced op WikiTree betekent dat er geen geldige bronnen op het profiel aanwezig zijn. Lees de regels die we volgen hier. Profielen zonder primaire bronnen, of met gedeeltelijke bronnen kunnen de Dutch Roots sticker krijgen met de needs=Birth en/of needs=More Records.

Answer 1

"Twee vliegen in 1 klap'':

I am currently expanding Dutch incomplete place names lacking the country name (so "below the radar" of our project). Spotting unsourced profiles while processing I will give them the {{Unsourced|Netherlands}} template.

Made a start with the Noord-Holland place names, finding them with a WikiTree+ search:

place name Open not Netherlands

Comments

Yeah, it is a very good idea to combine the place name expansion with the marking. In my experience a lot of the profiles with just a single name for the location are unsourced.

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Good idea. I'll try the same for the province of Utrecht.

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@Joke:

Answer 2

Thank you for the reminder, Michel!

I'll help any way I can. I have a bit of work to do at school, but I'll be prepared straight after that, plus it seems to fall in my holidays so I'll be busy with you guys soon!

Go Flying Dutchmen!

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All help is welcome, great to have you chime in Francis.

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Hi, Michel,

I sent Astrid a message to tell her the thon was coming up and because I remembered her saying that last year you guys sorted out 1000s of profiles. She has told me she is busy at work a little more, but she added that she has a vacation soon.

I really hope that we can get more members this thon and be the best  do our best to improve WikiTree. A fair warning that I'll probably stick to post 1800 for this thon and a little to South Africa, but I'll see what I can do. Good luck with your endeavours.

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I always stick to post 1800! And for the thon it makes sense for many people because the sources are the easiest/fastest to find. We also have the most profiles in that era so there is plenty to do.

In the mean time, feel free to help add unsourced to profiles! (There are links in my answer if you need ways to find profiles that are likely not sourced but not marked as unsourced).

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Thanks, W,

Before the teachers at school come after me I better finish my tests and assignments. Otherwise, I better get a head start running away. 

Good thing I have September holidays soon.

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This definitely must wait until after your studies!

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Lest you worry about focusing "only" on post 1800 profiles, there are 484,557 open profiles and they are distributed as follows (that is, 60% are 1800 or later):

• 0cen - 374
• 1 cen - 2
• 4cen - 1
• 7cen- 3
• 8cen - 7
• 9cen - 18
• 10cen - 32
• 11cen - 70
• 12cen - 107
• 13cen - 261
• 14cen - 560
• 15cen - 1,211
• 16cen - 9,412
• 17cen - 44,500
• 18cen - 134,586
• 19cen - 255,737
• 20cen - 37,675
• 21cen - 1

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Beautiful stats!

Everyone can choose whatever era they prefer. I am planning to write a few lines on a good strategy to max your scores though .

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I can't wait, I have a pretty good strategy. So, people can make a free space page on which there is a link to the profiles and the source. Click on the link, add the source, track it, done. Sounds good to me.

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Now Ales has created a new set of reports to easily see counts like I made above - but with detail at the province and major country level too! There are also reports specifically for birth, marriage, and death locations.

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Thanks for the mention W!

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Yes W, someone asked for it and Aleš responded immediately!

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Thanks for asking Jan!

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I plead not guilty, I was not the one who asked...

Answer 3

I have been working on this on and off for the last few weeks using the Bio Check app, trying to add unsourced to the profiles created the longest ago. I am using this search - https://wikitree.sdms.si/default.htm?report=srch1&Query=netherlands+open&MaxProfiles=500000, going to the BioCheck app, and then using the setting Max search profiles 500000 (which gets them all - but now seems to be changing to 50000), Max to check and max to report both set at 500, selecting "profiles for review" because that keeps things in order by creation date.  Then I choose a start number (incrementing by 500 each time). After the results come up, I do a search in the page (ctrl+f) for a ? to find any that may need unsourced added. I haven't gotten that far -- I am currently starting check at 1500 2000 2500 3000 3500 4000 4500 5000 5500 6000 6500 7000 7500, but if anyone else wants to approach this in the same way, please note your starting number below 

Also -- if anyone with pre-1500 editing ability wants to add unsourced to profiles, please see https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1282516/pre-1500-dutch-profiles-need-unsourced-tag-added

Last year (before the BioCheck app existed) we tried to find profiles by using the lastedited search. We tired to get all of 2012 marked, but we missed some + more are now found because marriage locations come up in searches + improving locations keeps adding more to our lists of profiles. But if anyone wants to work on these, here is a search: https://wikitree.sdms.si/default.htm?report=srch1&Query=netherlands+lastedit2012+open&MaxProfiles=1000&SortOrder=BiDa&PageSize=1000

Comments

Setting "Unsourced" on all profiles in W's list unconditionally is not hte idea. As W said in her original question: "add unsourced to them (assuming they are unsourced)".

Also be careful when profiles are managed by other projects, like European Royals and Aristocrats, Magna Carta and the likes.

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Thank you all! I too would like to see some of these profiles vanish completely (and would hope the project doesn't adopt them)

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I'll start with the LNABs starting with C.

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Finished C and continue with D

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Joop, still fast as lightning!

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I've finished the A's. Tomorrow I will continue with the B's

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Veel van deze profielen hebben, zoals al eerder opgemerkt, de template Dutch Roots plus bijvoorbeeld Needs Birth. Ik vervang deze template niet, zoals ik eerder zei, maar plaats de Unsourced template erbij. Verwijderen van de template betekend dat ook Profiel manager Dutch's Roots verwijderd moet worden. Overigens is Bea profiel manager van veel van de pre-1500 Unsourced profielen en heeft regelmatig de DR template geplaatst. Een aantal zijn zelfs PPP. Desalniettemin plaats ik de Unsourced template omdat dan duidelijk zichtbaar is dat het aan bronnen ontbreekt, wat de DR template niet doet. Mocht Bea er problemen mee hebben dan horen we dat vanzelf. 

Ik stel voor om het overleg over dit onderwerp hier: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1282516/pre-1500-dutch-profiles-need-unsourced-tag-added voort te zetten omdat het in feite niet het onderwerp in deze g2g is (in strijd met WikiTree g2g regels art. huppeldepup)

 Joop

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I have made it through a bit more than the oldest 1% of profiles, with biocheck app (and unsourced to a few hundred profiles). And even more exciting, I have made it to profiles created in 2012! I think I need to get through about the oldest 6% of the profiles before I make it to 2013. However, with what everyone else is doing (thank you all for the pre-1500 work and everyone else working from different directions!) maybe a lot from 2012 will already be labelled unsourced before I get to them.

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I'm not as organized as you W, thanks very much for all your work. Joop, good point.

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If you are looking for something easy.... you could do the same search that I am doing above but start biocheck app checking  at profile 10,000 ..... There is plenty of 2012 to share (I think we need to get close to profile 30,000 to get to 2013).

I have been finding about 20-130 possibly unsourced not marked in each group of 500. Most are very obviously unsourced. Some give me slight pause but then I see they are pre-1700 and so also clearly unsourced. In a very few cases there is a source but in such a way the app missed it, so in those cases I edit the profile structure or add a better source citation so that it is clearly sourced.