Anneke Jans
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Anneke Jans (1605 - bef. 1663)

Anneke "Anna, Anneka" Jans aka Jansen, Janse
Born in Flekkerøy, Kristiansand, Vest-Agder, Norwaymap
Ancestors ancestors
Sister of
Wife of — married 18 Apr 1623 (to before 1637) in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Nederlandmap
Wife of — married Mar 1638 (to 27 Sep 1647) in New Amsterdammap
Descendants descendants
Died before before age 57 in Beverwijck, New Netherlandmap
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Parents

Anneke's mother, Tryntje Jonas, is well known but the only thing known about her father at this time is that his name was Jan. He does not appear in New Netherland or Netherland records and appears to have existed before records begin in Norway or Sweden for the areas involved. See also Free Space page Anneke Jans

Biography

Notables Project
Anneke Jans is Notable.
Mythical ancestress of the Dutch colony on the eastern coast of North America
Daughter of a Jan Unknown and Trijn Jonas or Roeloffs, midwife of the WIC. She married Roeloff Jansen, and in 1630 came with him their daughters and her Mother and Sister Marritje on the bark "Pear Tree" to America.
Anneke Janse's mother, Tryntje Jonas was a professional nurse, employed by the Dutch West India Company. She has the distinction of having been the first medical woman to exercise her profession on Manhattan Island.
Anneke Jans was born about 1605 in Fleckerøy, Vest Agder, Noorwegen she passed away in February 2, 1663. at Fort Orange, Beverwijck, New Netherlands, now Albany, Albany, New York, USA[1]
Anneke Jans married:
  1. April 18, 1623 in Amsterdam, Roelof Jansz. (1601/02-1637),varensgezel, later pachtboer
  2. ca. March1638 in Nieuw-Amsterdam (New York) Everhardus Bogardus (ca. 1607-1647), reformed minister [2]
Information about Anneken Jans and the Anneken Jans Chest box[3]
From the first marriage 5 daughters and 1 son were born, from the second marriage 4 sons were born The first three children of Roelof Jansen and his wife Anneke Jans are recorded as being baptized in the Amsterdam Lutheran Church as follows: Lijntje, baptized July 21, 1624, witnesses: Annetgen Jans, Stijntgen Barents, Sara, baptized April 5, 1627, witnesses: Assueris Jansen, Stijntje Barents, and Trijntje, baptized June 24,1629, witnesses Cornelis Sijverts, Trijntgen Siewerts.
Anneke came to Rensselaerwyck in 1630 with her husband, Roeloff Jansen, who acted as assistant bouwmeester (chief farm superintendent ) for the patroon at a salary of one hundred and eighty guilders. Her marriage with the Rev. Everardus Bogardus or Bogart or Bogard, took place in abt 1638. [4]
After the death, by shipwreck, of Everardus Bogardus, in 1647, Anneke moved back to her first home, Albany , where she died in 1663. A bronze tablet upon the Mechanics and Farmers Savings Bank, at the northeast corner of James and State Streets, marks the site of her home. She died in Beverwyck (now Albany, New York), on February 23, 1663. She was buried in the churchyard, Beaver and Hudson Street.

First marriage

Intended Marriage record first marriage Amsterdam:
inschrijvingsdatum: April 1, 1623
name groom/naam bruidegom: Jansz,Roelof
name bride/naam bruid: Jans, Anna [5]

Second marriage

Rev. Everardus Bogardus married the widow of Roeloff Jansen, the famous Anneke Jans, and had children: [4]
  1. Jonas,
  2. Willem,
  3. Cornelis,
  4. Peter.
Marriage: 21 Jun 1642, New York[6]

Children

As there was another Roeloff Jans baptizing children at the same time as Anneke's husband in the Lutherse Kerk of Amsterdam, the only baptism certain to be for Anneke and Roeloff is for their daughter Tryntje.
  1. kind: Trijntgen doopdatum: 24-06-1629 kerk: Lutherse Kerk godsdienst: Evangelisch-Luthers vader: Jansz, Roeloff [7]
Roeloff and Anneke were also known to have immigrated with a daughter Sara. It was probably the Sara baptized on 05 Apr 1627 [8] and not the Sara baptized on 07 Feb 1627. [9]
They immigrated with one other child that was never named. Other possibilities are Saertgen, [10] Lijntgen [11] and Stijntgen. [12] These cannot all be their children though as the dates conflict in several places. It was most likely the Stijntgen baptized 02 Feb 1623 as Anneke mentions a Styie in her will and this Styie was old enough to baptize a child in 1642.
Everardus and Anneke baptized in New Amsterdam:
  1. 1640 09 Sep Cornelis, Do. Everardus Bogardus. Wit.: Corn. Vander Oykens Fiscael, Mr. Ludolf, Thyme Jans, Catharina Trasele, Tryntje Jonas.
  2. 1643 04 Jan Jonas, D. Everardus Bogardus. Wit.: Olof Stephenszen Van Courtlt, Mr. Gysbert opten dyck, Tryntje Jonas, Sara Roelofs.
  3. 1645 02 Apr Pieter, D. Everardus Bogardus. Wit.: Jochem Pieterszen, Mr. Hans Kierstede, Marritie Thymens, Sara Roelofs. [13]
They are also known to have been the parents of Willem Bogardus, born before records began in New Amsterdam.
  • 1659 02 Nov Everhardus, Willem Bogardus, Wyntje Sybrants. Wit.: Sybrant Janszen, Annetje Bogardus. [13]

Anneke's Will

In the name of the Lord, Amen, know all men, that on this 29th day of January, 1663, about four o'clock in the afternoon, before me, Dirck Van Schelluyne, Notary Public, and before the afterward named witnesses, personally came and appeared, the virtuous Anneke Jans, first, widow of Roeloff Janse Van Masterland, and now last, of the minister, Do. Everardus Bogardus, dwelling in the village of Beverwyck, (well known to us, notary and witnesses). She, the appearer, lying sick abed, but her senses, reason, memory and understanding perfectly strong, as is quite evident to us; which appearer, considering the shortness and frailty of human life, the certainty of death, and the uncertainty of the hour thereof, and wishing, therefore, to anticipate the same by a proper disposition of her temporal estate to be left behind, very deliberately declares, without inducement, persuasion or misleading of any person, that she has made, ordained and decreed this her present testament to be her last will; in manner following.
First and beforehand, commending her immortal soul to the gracious and merciful hands of God, her Creator and Redeemer, and her body to a Christian burial, and revoking, cancelling and annulling, by these presents, all and every such testament disposition as she before the date of this may have made and executed, and making a new disposition. She, the appearer and testatrix, by these presents, nominates and institutes her children, to wit, Sara Roeloffse, wife of Mr. Hans Kierstede, Catrina Roeloffse, wife of Johannes Van Brugh, together with Jannetie and Rachel Hartgers, children of her daughter Sytge Roeloffse deceased, the late wife of Pieter Hartgers (jointly standing in their mother's place); item, her son, Jan Roeloffse, together with Willem, Cornelis, Jonas, and Pieter Bogardus, as the sole and universal heirs of the estate real and personal, claims, credits, gold and silver, coined and uncoined, jewels, clothing, linen and woolen, household furniture, nothing excepted or reserved, which she shall leave behind on her death, the same on her decease, to be equally divided among them and to be used as their own free estate without the opposition of any one; with this express restriction and condition, nevertheless, that the said first four children shall first receive their bequest from their parental estate in a bouwery lying on Manhatan island, on the North River, the sum of one thousand guilders out of the value or receipts from said bouwery; and seeing that three of said [children] have received marriage outfits according to her ability; therefore, she, the appearer and testatrix, has made over and bequeathed to said Jan Roeloffse who is yet an unmarried man, one bed and a milch cow, and to Jonas and Pieter Bogardus, a house and lot standing and lying on the west side of her, the testatrix's, dwelling house, in said village of Beverwyck, in breadth reaching up to her chamber, and extending also in length back to the bleaching plat, together with a bed also for them both, and a milch cow for each; item, to Cornelis Bogardus also a bed and a milch cow; which [bequests] said children shall draw, for what the married children have received at their marriage.
Finally she, the testatrix, bequeathes also, to Roeloffse Kierstede, (her daughter Sara's child), a silver cup, to Annetie Van Brugh (her daughter Catrina's child), a silver cup, to Jannetie and Rachel Hartgers (her daughter Sytge's children), also a silver cup for each, to the child of Willem Bogardus, named Sytge, also a silver cup; all which, to be recovered in manner and form as above, the said children, legatees, shall first take and receive out of the first and readiest effects, and then come into a participation of the remainder of the estate in the same manner as the heirs above nominated and instituted.
The foregoing, she, the appearer and testatrix, declared to be her last will and testament, wishing and desiring that the same after her death, shall bring forth its full force and effect, whether as testament, codicil, donation, gift for the sake of the deceased, or otherwise, as may be most suitable; notwithstanding that certain usages, required by law or custom, may not have been perfectly observed herein; requesting the the utmost advantage may be derived herefrom; and that one or more copies hereof, in the customary form, may be made and delivered by me, the notary. Thus done and executed, at the house of the testatrix in the village of Beverwyck in NewNetherland, in presence of the honorable Ruth Jacobse Van Schoednerwoert and Evert Wendel, old magistrated, called and invited as witnesses hereto.
This mark + was set by Anneke Janse aforenamed with her own hand.
Rutger Jacobsen, Evert Janse Wendel, D. V. Schelluyne, Not. Pub. 1663. [14]

Death

Anneke Jans died in 1663 A bronze tablet upon the Mechanics and Farmers Savings Bank, at the northeast corner of James and State Streets, marks the site of her home.
She died in Beverwyck (now Albany, New York), on February 23, 1663. She was buried in the churchyard, Beaver and Hudson Street.
19 Mar 1663, Albany, New York, USA[15]
Several branches of the family were deeply involved in the well known contest between the heirs of Anneke Jans and Trinity Church. [4]

Genealogy Roadshow Segment

Leslie: I'm trying to find out if a story that's been passed down through my family is true, that Anneke Jans Bogardus is my ancestor grandmother.

Joshua Taylor: I have to tell you, I immediately wanted to have you on the show because of the question you asked. Amongst genealogists, this would probably be one of our most asked questions because Anneke Bogardus owned a huge piece of property in what is now New York City. So as you can imagine, there are so many others that all want a part of this prize. They all want a part of the legacy of Anneke Jans. So let's dive in and learn a little bit about this famous potential relative, Anneke Jans Bogardus.

Here is her story as far as we know. Anneke Jans Bogardus was actually born in Norway. We do not know a lot about her father but we do know that her mother was a midwife, and she married a fellow Norwegian, Roelof Jansen, in Amsterdam, and we actually have a copy of their marriage certificate.

Now this couple traveled to America in 1630 and Roelof Jansen, her first husband, died 7 years later. So she's now a widow and she's in New Amsterdam. So she's been taken from her home in Holland, she's married in Amsterdam, and now she's sitting in New Amsterdam, which today we know as New York City.

A year after her first husband passes away, she marries her second husband. So here we see [pictures shown, same as in biography] Anneke Jans and her second husband, Everardus Bogardus, who is a minister of the Dutch Reformed Church.

Now during her lifetime, she and her husband owned a property which included farmland in lower Manhattan. Well looking at a map [shows a hand-drawn map of New Amsterdam with streets and the Bogardus Farm plotted on it] we can actually see that researchers have worked out exactly where that property was. This property today is extremely valuable. Have you ever heard of Wall Street? Well Anneke's farm is where Wall Street sits today.

Now Anneke dies in Albany in 1663, 18 months before the Dutch ceded their colony to England. So she dies as a Dutch citizen. Now Anneke's will states that all of her possessions and the proceeds from her property were to be equally split among her children.

Now it was 12 years later that Trinity Church was founded on part of her old property. And Trinity Church became the first Anglican church in Manhattan and today the Trinity Corporation keeps control of its patch of real estate. Now acre for acre this is said to be the most valuable church yard and cemetery in the entire United States.

Now there is no record of Anneke's children or grandchildren working to re-establish any ownership of their old farmland. It is only her descendants, hundreds of years later, that went on the warpath to reclaim the property.

So we were able to trace your family back here to your 7th great-grandfather, Adam Brewer [1696 - Abt. 1769]. We know this is correct based upon a variety of probate and census and vital records. Adam's mother's [ Annatje "Anna" Bogardus 1663-] surname happened to be Bogardus. So when you look through the chart, Anna's father is Willem Bogardus [1639-1711] and Willem Bogardus was the son of Anneke Jans.

...As we know there's a lot of people that think they are [descendants] that really aren't. Now it's very unlikely that any court case now or in the future will be successful in getting money against Trinity Church. ...The church has always had a legally established right to the property.

Aired: 06/28/16 Expires: 07/29/16 http://www.pbs.org/video/2365749416/

Sources

  1. Entered by Christine Roane, Oct 14, 2011
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    naam bruidegomJansz, Roelofname bridegroom
    naam bruidJans, Annaname bride
    bronverwijzingDTB 427, p.477source reference
    opmerkingenHuwelijksintekeningen van de KERK.notes
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  • Source: page 146, Stokes, I. N. Phelps. The iconography of Manhattan Island 1498-1909 (v. 6)(New York : Robert H. Dodd, 1915-1928.) "Between March and August, 1638, Anneke Jans married her pastor, the Reverend Everardus Bogardus."
  • Source: Marriage date for Evardus Bogardus Mar 1638, Source Citation: Source number: 23936.003; Source type: Pedigree chart; Number of Pages: 4. Source Information: Yates Publishing. U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry Operations Inc, 2004. added July 24, 2014 by Peggy Shackelford)
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  • Source: Bratt Family Papers, 1689-1854, New York State Library. These Bratt Family Papers relate chiefly to extensive land holdings in the city of Albany and surrounding area, the Town of Greenbush and Hoosick Patent in Rensselaer County. In addition there are last wills and testaments of various family members (including Bratt/Bradt, Van Vechten, Bogardus, Lottridge and a few other families, including Anneke Jans) and genealogical notes that reveal much information about the family and the historical setting in which the documents were created. (https://www.nysl.nysed.gov/msscfa/sc17396.htm), provided by Shonda Sayers Feather

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I added the Bratt Family Papers, 1689-1854, from the New York State Library in the sources. Speaks to the family members, (including Anneke Jans), land holdings, wills, military, travels, ect.
posted by Shonda (Sayers) Feather
edited by Shonda (Sayers) Feather
Saw this on Instagram - thought it may be of interest!

Scroll down for article: https://www.zebregsroell.com/anneken-jans-bogardius-chest

https://archive.org/details/scandinavianimmi02evje/page/n139

thought a link to this book would be a great Source to add. Very interesting read! Especially the explanation on how the research was done.

-)

T.

posted by Tanya Lowry
https://archive.org/details/scandinavianimmi02evje/page/n139

thought a link to this book would be a great Source to add. Very interesting read! Especially the explanation on how the research was done.

-)

T.

posted by Tanya Lowry
Hi,

Added the research notes and all info that was still at the bottom of her profile to a free space page for her now, added a link to the page at the top of her Bio.

posted by Bea (Timmerman) Wijma
I found that very interesting since Josh and I share ancestors from that period. I was waiting for him to mention that he was related, but he didn't and I would have been surprised and delighted if he had. Good show though.
posted by Orinda (Hamon) Spence
They're going to talk about Anneke and her descendants' claim for the Trinity Church land on next week's Genealogy Roadshow http://www.pbs.org/video/2365749535/ (28 Jun 2016). And it looks like the genealogist that will be doing the segment is Joshua Taylor, who is the current president of the NYGBS.
posted by Carrie Quackenbush
I saw this and Joshua was actually excited to take on Anneke's descendant question for the show as he stated this is one of the ancestors most people want to know if they are related to.
Removed Sarah Jans (Turck) as their daughter , because she was not their daughter , the parents of this Sarah were Unknown .
posted by Bea (Timmerman) Wijma
Webber-961 and Jans-49 appear to represent the same person because:

Hi, These are the same and can be merged, also LNAB Webber can be ignored this was from the story and mix ups , that now are solved . So she can be merged now , thanks :)

posted by Bea (Timmerman) Wijma
Tried to organize the profile , left all info in, added a box if you hate boxes , just say so and I'll remove it again ;) But this way all info still is available and the profile stays easier to read and not too long
posted by Bea (Timmerman) Wijma
Webber-1059 and Jans-49 appear to represent the same person because: Duplicates they can be merged now
posted by Bea (Timmerman) Wijma

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