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Duncan (Grant) Grant of Duldreggan (bef. 1636 - aft. 1731)

Duncan Grant of Duldreggan formerly Grant
Born before in Glenmoriston, Inverness, Scotlandmap
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died after after age 94 in Duldreggan, Glenmoriston, Inverness, Scotlandmap [uncertain]
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Duncan (Grant) Grant of Duldreggan is a member of Clan Grant.

Duncan was the third son of John Grant and Elizabeth Grant.[1][2]

He married Catherine McDonald of Glengarry before Dec 1652,[1][2] They had issue.[1]

  1. Archibald[2]
  2. Patrick[2]

Duncan died in 1637.[3] His heir was his great-grandson, Aeneas Grant.[1]

Research Notes

  • Birth: His marriage was before Dec 1652, so his birth was certainly before 1638. His father died before 31 Mar 1637 so he was certainly born before before Dec 1637. He was a debtor of John Grant of Wester Elchies on 8 Jul 1636 so certainly born before that date,
  • Death, his heir was retoured on 29 Dec 1730 but was still living on 4 Mar 1731.
  • Alleged children:
  1. Archibald, b. 1651
  2. Patrick, b. 1656
  3. John, 1659–1719
  4. Peter1660–1755
  5. Alexander, b. 1662–

Sources

  1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 Fraser, Sir William. Chiefs of Grant, Edinburgh: private, 1883, Vol. I, Archive.org, p. 522
  2. ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 Anderson, Peter John, "Major Alpin's Ancestors and Descendants", Aberdeen: private, 1904, Archive.org, p. 11
  3. ↑ Sinclair, Allan, "Reminiscences Historical and Traditional of the Grants of Glenmoriston, with Selections from the Songs and Elegies of their Bards", Edinburgh: Maclachlan & Stewart, 1887, Archive.org, p. 16




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[Living Rhein]
The dates confusion between sources can not be resolved, unless there are two Duncans being mixed on this profile. The historical source of William Fraser has the wife's name Catherine MacDonald with Duncan still being alive after 1637. We should go with Fraser's dates of Duncan's existence, of age at 1636, and great grandson inheriting by 1730 due to death in 1715. These ranges imply this Duncan was a very late addition to John III's family. Though we do not know exactly his or his children's birth dates.
posted by [Living Rhein]
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[Living Rhein]
The Glenmoriston Grant's have several sources for adding citations to profiles. The William Fraser source is based on records and should be used as the prime source. The A. Sinclair source is based on family songs that give family accounts, these coincide with William Fraser's accounts on a limited basis. Such as John III's wife Elizabeth being a Freuchie Grant implies she was a Grant widow.
posted by [Living Rhein]
j. Young
I have looked over this WikiTree site, and it seems I have located this Duncan Grant's wife's family. They have her as Katherine MacDonald married to Duncan Grant of Aonach, which I think should be Catherine McDonell married to Duncan Grant of Duldraeggan. Her father is designated MacDonald 2315; Donald "Domhnail MacAonghais" MacDonald (1546 - 1645), and they agree with me that he was the 8th Chief of Glengarry 1574 1645. They have 3 wives listed, mother of Catherine is Margaret MacDonald daughter of Alan MacDonald Captain of ClanRanald. I will leave it to the Scotland Project folks to sort this out. Good Luck. J.
posted on Grant-18621 (merged) by j. Young
[Living Riley]
Duncan Grant is my ancestor, I've inherited his genes, his culture (still working on my gaelic, though my wife Janet who lived in Scotland many years as a teacher and receives a pension from SPPA helps with the gaelic), the music, and a strong calling to return to Scotland. My wife's friends all live in Scotland and they all say I have the gift of Irish luck, but they admit I have Scottish ingenuity too. My family says I always fall on my feet, does that mean I always get into trouble? My wife and I can relate to Claire and Jamie.
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j. Young
Hi Jen. I suppose you could check the COURT records, or otherwise verify when Aeneas/Angus Grant acquired that Wadset. I also suppose that since you are part of the Scotland Project, you might already have the family records for Donald McDonell 8th Chief of Glengarry Scotland, and his father in law the 9th Chief of ClanRanald. A great many of their descendents emigrated to America on Ship Pearl 1773, and after the Rev War ended 1783 they resettled in Canada. Probably not what you wanted, but it is more than you had. Cheers J.
posted on Grant-18621 (merged) by j. Young
j. Young
You have this Duncan Grant birth date probably incorrect, because he supposedly was age 100 when he died, having outlived his son Archibald Grant, and Archibald's son John Grant, the COURTS ruled that John's son Aeneas/Angus Grant 1702 1779, was Heir at Law to this Duncan Grant [birth date more likely 1630 died 1730] and I think the COURT ruling was between 1730 and 1733, when Aeneas/Angus Grant got the Wadset of Duldraeggan Scotland. Aeneas/Angus Grant eldest son John Duldraeggan Grant born 1737 inherited that Wadset when Aeneas died 1779, and John gave it up when he emigrated to Charlottenburg Glengarry Canada in 1785, where he died 1802. You also have this Duncan Grant marriage wrong she was Catherine McDonell [not McDonald] a daughter of Donald McDonell 8th Chief of Glengarry Scotland McDonell, who's wife was daughter of 9th Chief ClanRanald [a MacDonald].
posted on Grant-18621 (merged) by j. Young
Stevens-17832 Jen (Stevens) Hutton
Thanks, J. Do you have a reliable source to support any of this? If so, please let us know what it is.
posted on Grant-18621 (merged) by Jen (Stevens) Hutton
[Living Riley]
Grant-18621 and Grant-5139 appear to represent the same person because: Duncan-18621 bio is written 'Duncan is the last of John's children'.
posted by [Living Riley]
Stevens-17832 Jen (Stevens) Hutton
Grant-18621 and Grant-5139 are not ready to be merged because: Elizabeth Innes is not his mother, she is his great grandmother. This family is currently a big mess and will need to be straightened out before any more merges are done. Too many of the profiles involved are sourced only by family trees on FS, and the estimated dates are way off. Since one of the profiles affected by this merge is managed by the Scotland Project, the project will attempt to straighten this out.

Jen, Scotland Project co-leader

posted by Jen (Stevens) Hutton
[Living Riley]
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Stevens-17832 Jen (Stevens) Hutton
John,

The sources you copied from Family Search are from Sir William Fraser's book The Chiefs of Grant and that source already appears (and is linked to directly) on most of the profiles involved here so it is redundant to copy the same source from FS. Please read the page carefully and you'll see that Elizabeth Innes was the wife of the first John Mor, and not the wife of his grandson, also named John Mor and married to an Elizabeth (Unknown)(https://archive.org/details/chiefsofgrantmv100fras/page/522/mode/1up p. 522). There are now three duplicate profiles of Elizabeth Innes, and in addition you have just created a duplicate profile of Duncan Grant. Please take a deep breath, stop, and collaborate with the project and the other PMs before adding/removing any more spouses or children and creating any more duplicates.

Jen

posted by Jen (Stevens) Hutton
Carruth-363 Linda (Carruth) Peterson
John, you added some lines under the References line that looks like they are copied from some other profile, which is not the correct format for a citation.
posted by Linda (Carruth) Peterson
Carruth-363 Linda (Carruth) Peterson
The bio on this profile says born 1630, died 1730, but the top dates are 1600 and 1700, with parents born in 1550 and 1479!! There are too many parts of this that do not match up.
posted by Linda (Carruth) Peterson
Carruth-363 Linda (Carruth) Peterson
and there is already a Duncan Grant-18621 that is a sibling that is a Scotland PP with a birth date of 1586.
posted by Linda (Carruth) Peterson
[Living Riley]
It is written now , 'born after' in both cases. No direct birth records are listed. The dates 1630 and 1730 refer to when a legal title or debt, or settlement took place. The assumption of those dates being the birth and death dates is incorrect.
posted by [Living Riley]
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[Living Riley]
The dates of 1630 and 1730 were from some legal settlements, the only bearing was Duncan was born before 1630, probably after 1600, and before 1730, probably 1700. His father's old age stopped him from getting the Lairdship and a grandson of John received it instead.
posted by [Living Riley]
Carruth-363 Linda (Carruth) Peterson
If they are from some legal documents, then they should be noted in the profile where those can be found. 100 year is a very wide range of dates to be using for an estimation. My initial concern is that people are changing the dates in the top without adding sources or information in the bio or changing the information in the bio to match. Remember sources are critical for pre-1700, so If you find a source somewhere, it should be included in the bio, so others can verify the same document.

Profiles should not be changed without including the sources where the changed information was found. Too many people used the same names in different family and subsequent generations, so it is difficult to determine correct generations of people sometimes.

posted by Linda (Carruth) Peterson
[Living Riley]
The date changes were made to be consistent with the known sources.
posted by [Living Riley]
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Carruth-363 Linda (Carruth) Peterson
Your earlier comment said dates came from some 'legal settlements', which is what I was hoping you would point to, so it could be checked to try to determine if dates, wives, etc, since there is confusion in this family.
posted by Linda (Carruth) Peterson
[Living Riley]
When his father died, he inherited his father's debts 8th July 1636, hence he was born after 1600, but before his father died. Probably born around 1605. His great grandson, Aeneas(Angus), inherited from him, 29th Dec, 1730, therefore he was dead and very old if neither his sons or grandsons inherited. They probably already had land. Estimates of his death varies between 1700 and 1715.
posted by [Living Riley]
[Living Riley]
My wife's mother was Annabelle Peterson, her genes can be traced back to the Quakers in England, but her father genes were from Denmark.
posted by [Living Riley]
[Living Riley]
They do line up with Fraser's history of the Grant chiefs.
posted by [Living Riley]
j. Young
I do not think the above Bio has Duncan Grant b. 1630 d. 1730 parents right. I think his father was more likely John of the Castle Grant, but more research is needed.
posted by j. Young
[Living Riley]
Correct, research and changes made.
posted by [Living Riley]
j. Young
This Duncan Grant 1630 1730 is in my tree, and he was 1st GRANT to hold Wadset of Duldraeggan Glenmoriston Scotland, when he died aged 100, he had outlived his son and grandson, so the COURTS of that period declared his greatgrandson Aeneas/ Angus Grant 1702 1779, as his Heir at Law, and he held the Wadset until he died, leaving it to his eldest son John Duldraeggan Grant 1737 1802, who emigrated to Canada, where he received 400 acres as Lots 25&26 SSSBRR aka Street Road Charlottenburg Glengarry Upper Canada.

This Duncan Grant 1630 1730 married Katherine/ Catherine McDonell, daughter of 8th Chief of Glengarry Scotland Donald McDonell, who's wife was daughter of the 9th Chief of Clanranald [a MacDonald].

posted by j. Young

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