Marion Runciman (abt. 1781 - aft. 1810)

Born about 1781 in Innerwick, Haddingtonshire, Scotland

Ancestors

Wife of Walter Runciman — married 23 Aug 1806 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Descendants

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Biography

This biography was auto-generated by a GEDCOM import. It's a rough draft and needs to be edited.

Name

Marion /Runciman/ ^[1]

Birth

EST 1781

 ?Innerwick, East Lothian, Scotland

date a complete guess, but assumed to be nearish to husband Walter's, and not older than usual when married Walter (1806). As her maternal grandmother appears to be Grizel (COCKBURN), it is also assumed that Marion would not be the first daughter. Not that the naming pattern would appear not to be that important for this family as Ann precedes Alison, the name of her paternal grandmother (all of which assumes the tree is as presented here)^[2][3]

Death

AFT 1810

date assumes son Walter was born around 1810. Wonder who brought him up if Marion did indeed die around 1811 as indicated on the earliest of Sir Steven's charts?^[4][5]

Reference

50261

Data Changed

Changed:

23 MAY 2013

Prior to import, this record was last changed 23 MAY 2013 .

Event

WebHighlight

The two 1806 marriage entries, Innerwick and Edinburgh, same day, with the Innerwick one cross-referencing the Edinburgh one, look to prove Sir Steven's grandfather's belief that Marion and Walter were cousins or 2nd cousins (1977 and 1985). This being despite the Edinburgh version calling him "Willm sailor" instead of Walter, but at least they give Marion's father and a place of Thorntonloch, which is where their shared grandfather Thomas was at his marriage. This identification makes them first cousins.

Sir Steven's great uncle Thomas, himself an artist, thought there was a connection to Alexander and John RUNCIMAN, artists (q.v.). The 1977 tree shows "but he was not sure how". By 1985 she has turned into their niece, and this is repeated in a 1995 letter to Don RUNCIMAN which states " according to my great-uncle Thomas, a niece of theirs called Marion married her second cousin , Thomas Runciman. Thomas and Marion were my great great grandparents." But he adds that he's never been able to check the "niece".

Yes there was a Marion married to a Thomas RUNCIMAN, she was buried in Edinburgh in 1811.

Yes Sir Steven's great great grandmother was Marion RUNCIMAN and yes she married her first cousin, but he was Walter, not Thomas. The relationship to the artists appears to have crystalized to a niece. To date we do not have any male siblings for Alexander and John, but do know that Alexander had a son John, a silversmith in London before the early 1800s - and that Marion's father was Thomas.

Additional family lore from Sir Steven's grandfather was that Marion was the link between his RUNCIMAN tree and that of Wanton Walls (1985). Sir Steven adds that his grandfather "was rather inaccurate".

This latter Wanton Walls link does seem unlikely given what we now know about the respective trees, but the RUNCIMAN DNA project has proven that there is indeed a genetic connection between the families.^{[6][7][8][9][10][11]}

Marriage

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23 AUG 1806

Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Transcr. of Innerwick entry shows: "Edinburgh Aug 23rd - Walter Runciman sailor and Marion Runciman of Innerwick parish were married irregularly by Joseph Robertson Minister. The said Marion Runciman having applied to get her marriage sustained and registered after rebuke: the same (illegible) was ordered and a certificate allowed her upon removal from the parish"

The Edinburgh entry however, for the same date, read: "Willm (sic) Runciman sailor & Marion Runciman Daughter of Thos Runciman Plewman Thorntonloch Gave up their Names for marriage Willm McKay & Alexr McKay"

Given the exact date Innerwick and Edinburgh, "Willm"'s occupation, William in Edinburgh just has to be Walter.^{[12][13][14][15][16][17]}

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EST 1775

 ?Innerwick, East Lothian, Scotland^[18][19][20]

Sources

• Source: S102 Title: OPR East Lothian, Scotland RUNCIMAN Births, Author Address: http://scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Recipient Address: East Lothian, Scotland Abbreviation: OPR East Lothian, Scotland RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854 Author: Scotlands People Index Publication: 1538-1854 Note: All RUN*MAN*; County = East Lothian (ELN); 293 records in total (less nine duplicates); Earliest 1627, latest 1854; Number of parishes: 20 (out of 25 in all). (In progress, 4 parishes analysed for name variants - refer <a href="../p3.htm"> ELN (Scotland) RUNCIMAN</a>)
  CONT For further information on coverage of ELN parish records, eg gaps, see also the https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/East_Lothian_(or_Haddingtonshire),_Scotland;Family Search Wiki for East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) Repository: #R146
• Repository: R146 Name: Scotlands People (http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/) Address: City: Edinburgh State: Midlothian Country: Scotland
• Source: S103 Title: OPR East Lothian Scotlands People RUNCIMAN Marriages, Author Address: http://scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Recipient Address: East Lothian, Scotland Abbreviation: OPR East Lothian SctP RUNCIMAN Marriages 1538-1854 Author: Scotlands People Index Publication: 1538-1854 Note: All RUN*MAN*; County = East Lothian (ELN); 140 records in total; Earliest 1603 (Pencaitland), latest 1854 (5 over 3 parishes); Number of parishes: 19 (out of 25 in all). (In progress - refer <a href="p3.htm"> ELN (Scotland) RUNCIMAN</a>)
  CONT For further information on coverage of ELN parish records, eg gaps, see also the https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/East_Lothian_(or_Haddingtonshire),_Scotland;Family Search Wiki for East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) Repository: #R146
• Source: S1045 Title: RUNCIMAN Correspondence, Recipient: L Henderson (1), Address: Edinburgh, Scotland, Author E-mail: Abbreviation: RUNCIMAN Correspondence Author: H D W
• Source: S2342 Title: Miscellaneous RUNCIMAN web searches and correspondence, Url: Various Abbreviation: RUNCIMAN Misc. Web & Correspondence
• Source: S2655 Title: RUNCIMAN corres. with Don R., Recipient: Lorna Henderson, Address: WA, USA, Author E-mail: Abbreviation: RUNCIMAN corres. with Don R. Author: Don RUNCIMAN (52338)
• Source: S2923 Title: RUNCIMAN/GRIEVE ex Steve G's RUNCIMAN pages, Compiler Address: http://www.guernsey.net/~sgibbs/runciman/wr-1810.html Abbreviation: Family of Thomas RUNCIMAN and Alison GRIEVE ex Steve G's RUNCIMAN pages Author: Steve GIBBS (d. 2009) Note: Extracted and published under the sources page of the RUNCIMAN One Name Study (http://runciman.lornahen.com/lineages/s1.htm#s2923)
• Source: S3 Title: RUNCIMAN Analysis, Author Address: http://Runciman.lornahen.com Abbreviation: RUNCIMAN Analysis Author: Lorna Henderson Repository: #R156
• Repository: R156 Name: RUNCIMAN One Name Study Address: Country: http://RuncimansAll.blogspot.com
• Source: S3082 Title: Rootsweb: RUNCIMAN Mailing List, Url: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/r/runciman.html#RUNCIMAN Abbreviation: Rootsweb: RUNCIMAN Mailing List Repository: #R148
• Repository: R148 Name: Rootsweb Address: Country: http://rootsweb.com
• Source: S3085 Title: Walter RUNCIMAN (1810-78): web pages by Steve Gibbs (d. 2009), Url: http://www.guernsey.net/~sgibbs/runciman/wr-1810.html Abbreviation: Walter RUNCIMAN (1810-78): ex Steve Gibbs (d. 2009) Note: copied and included on the Runciman One Name Study pages in case Steve's pages disappear
• Source: S3266 Title: RUNCIMAN/SMITH & family, from Mary R via Ros, Recipient: Lorna Henderson, Address: Sth Africa, Author E-mail: Abbreviation: RUNCIMAN/SMITH, from Mary R via Ros Author: Mary Denley Runciman nee Drury Note: Family booklet, Jun 1996, 22 pages of narrative, including a tree from Sir Steven RUNCIMAN. Copies rcvd from Ros, May 2013; Also assorted correspondence
• Source: S55 Title: Scottish Birth, Marriage, Burial entries (to 1854), Record Type: Scottish BMDB entries (to 1854), File Number: http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php Abbreviation: BDM: Scotlands People entries to 1854

1. ↑ Source: #S2342 Page: Marr. 1806 Walter RUNCIMAN & Marion RUNCIMAN of Innerwick, Film 1067850, in 2001 posting of Innerwick PRs by Alethea WATSON, extracted May 2007
2. ↑ Source: #S2342 Page: Marr. 1806 Walter RUNCIMAN & Marion RUNCIMAN of Innerwick, Film 1067850, in 2001 posting of Innerwick PRs by Alethea WATSON, extracted May 2007
3. ↑ Source: #S3 Page: May 2013
4. ↑ Source: #S2342 Page: Birth c 1774 Dth 1811 Marion RUNCIMAN (marr. to Walter RUNCIMAN b Girton 1770 d Dunbar 1846), Email from Mary via RUNCIMAN Rootsweb mailing list, rcvd Sep 2005
5. ↑ Source: #S3266 Page: 1977 RUNCIMAN family tree from Sir Steven RUCNIMAN, copy rcvd May 2013
6. ↑ Source: #S55 Page: Marr. 23 Aug 1806 Willm (sic) RUNCIMAN & Marion d/o Thos RUNCIMAN (plewman of Thorntonloch),Canongate, Edinburgh, MLN 685/03 0170 0110, copy d/loaded May 2013
7. ↑ Source: #S3082 Page: Marr. 1806 Walter RUNCIMAN (sailor) & Marion RUNCIMAN (of Innerwick Parish), irregularly married Edinburgh Aug 23rd, recorded in Innerwick Parish Registers, film 1067850, extracted by Patsy, Christchurch, New Zealand, posted to board Feb 2001 by Alethea, rechecked Feb 2010
8. ↑ Source: #S2655 Page: Letter (part) abt 1995 from Sir Steven RUNCIMAN to Lex RUNCIMAN, copy rcvd from Don R, Sep 2008
9. ↑ Source: #S1045 Page: Correspondence with Sir Steven Runciman, 1985, copy rcvd Feb 2010
10. ↑ Source: #S3266 Page: 1977 RUNCIMAN family tree from Sir Steven RUCNIMAN, copy rcvd May 2013
11. ↑ Source: #S3 Page: May 2013
12. ↑ Source: #S2342 Page: Marr. 1806 Walter RUNCIMAN & Marion RUNCIMAN of Innerwick, Film 1067850, in 2001 posting of Innerwick PRs by Alethea WATSON, extracted May 2007
13. ↑ Source: #S103 Page: Marr. 23 Aug 1806 Walter RUNCIMAN & Marion RUNCIMAN, Innerwick, 711/0030 0405, extracted from index, Feb 2010
14. ↑ Source: #S3082 Page: Marr. 1806 Walter RUNCIMAN (sailor) & Marion RUNCIMAN (of Innerwick Parish), irregularly married Edinburgh Aug 23rd, recorded in Innerwick Parish Registers, film 1067850, extracted by Patsy, Christchurch, New Zealand, posted to board Feb 2001 by Alethea, rechecked Feb 2010
15. ↑ Source: #S2923 Page: Marr. 23 Aug 1806 Walter RUNCIMAN & Marion RUNCIMAN, extracted Feb 2010
16. ↑ Source: #S55 Page: Marr. 23 Aug 1806 Willm (sic) RUNCIMAN & Marion d/o Thos RUNCIMAN (plewman of Thorntonloch),Canongate, Edinburgh, MLN 685/03 0170 0110, copy d/loaded May 2013
17. ↑ Source: #S3 Page: May 2013
18. ↑ Source: #S3085 Page: Birth 25 Mar 1751 Elsepth (Elizabeth) KEMP, Innerwick, Haddingtonshire, extracted Mar 2010
19. ↑ Source: #S2923 Page: C(hr.) 22 Aug 1779 Grizel d/o Thomas RUNCIMAN & Elspeth (Elizabeth) KEMP, Innerwick, Haddingtonshire, extracted Feb 2010
20. ↑ Source: #S102 Page: Birth 22 Aug 1779 Grizel d/o Thomas RUNCIMAN & Elspeth KEMP, Innerwick, 711/ 0030 0154, extracted from index Feb 2010

Acknowledgments

Thank you to L Henderson for creating WikiTree profile Runciman-439 through the import of RUNCIMANThomasGRIEVEAlison4WikiTreePlaceUpdated.ged on Jun 15, 2013. Click to the Changes page for the details of edits by L and others.