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Burial: indications are that he was buried in Colne Priory, Earls Colne, Braintree District, Essex, England with other de Vere family members. But years ago the de Vere family tombs were moved to St. Stephen's Chapel in Bures which is in Suffolk a few miles northeast of Earls Colne. Alton Rogers received an e-mail on February 29, 2008 from Robin King, Rector of Bures Parish Church who stated "The de Vere family memorials (tombs) are in St. Stephens Church, a mile from the centre of Bures village."
Estimated Dates: "about 1087", based on his older brother Geoffrey's birth in 1086.[3] This c1087 birth year replaced the previous date of about "30 Jul 1082", which was from Jim Weber's website (see comments).
His Wikidata entry has the birth year of 1080, but no source for it.[4] Therefore, the Wikidata database error was marked as false.
A caution received when saving the changes notes that the "spouse's birth date (Clare-21 born 1093) should not be more than 80 years or less than 10 years before the marriage date (1102)." They could have been contracted to marry in 1102, which would not have been uncommon for the time. The text does not reference a source for the 1102 date; it may have been based on the previous birth year of 1082. The earliest birth year on profiles attached as children is 1110 (as of 18 February 2024), which works with both her birth in 1093 and his in 1087.
His Wikidata entry does not give a marriage year. For the marriage, it cites the Wikidata entry for Alice de Claire and his entry in thepeerage.com[4] - neither of which has a marriage year, although thepeerage.com gives his birth year as 1090, citing Cokayne:
His Wikidata entry has 15 May 1141 as his death date.[4] His Dictionary of National Biography entry has 9 May 1141.[1]
See also:
Hi! I'm trying to sort out dates for the Aubrey sons. Wikipedia and MedLands gives their birth order as Geoffrey, Aubrey, Roger, Robert, and William. Wikipedia gives 1086 as Geoffrey's birth year, which meshes with the account of the "youth" taking ill in 1104 (see his father's Wikipedia article). If no objection, I propose changing the birth datafield from the unsourced "about 1 Jul 1082" to just the year 1087.
Greetings Richard
I cannot access the ODNB article, but it seems to be the only source that this Aubrey participated in the First Crusade... the DNB article on him does not mention the Crusades.
This article says 21 for knights: https://kids.britannica.com/students/article/knighthood/275302
edited to remove the URL for the attached pedigree image, because it inserted the image itself
I will sign up for the ODNB article later. I think if I sign up I can get acces. The same for "academia.edu". If he joined the 1 st crusades his birth date is not 1087 I think. He joined te crusades in 1098 according to this profile. I think the birth date about 1062 is better, but I do not know the source of the stamtree of the de Vere family. Also not the source of the "Medievel lands database", but this looks really nice.
I do not know I am the right person to help in this, according to wikitree standards. I only got a pre-1700 certificate.
Greetings Richard
1087 was because Aubrey's older brother was born 1086... or maybe I misinterpreted what Aubrey I's Wikipedia article was saying about Geoffrey's death/Beatrice being his mother & married to Aubrey I by 1086 (I read that to imply Geoffrey had been born in 1086). This puts him at 18 when he died. But if crusaders were knights, and knights were at least 21, and it was this Aubrey - younger brother of Geoffrey - who went on Crusade in 1098, then his [Aubrey's] birth year would have been 1077 or earlier, pushing his older brother Geoffrey's birth year to before that. And we hit the problem that Geoffrey was "a youth" when he died in 1104. If he was born before 1077, then he would have been at least 27 - not really a youth.
That Geoffrey died as a youth sometime "in or before 1104" is from Aubrey I's Wikipedia article, citing Cokayne:
That Aubrey II "succeeded to his father's estates" when he "died circa 1112-1113" is also from Aubrey I's Wikipedia article, but without citations.
I'll be interested to see what source ODNB has for him going on Crusade in 1098.
I did find an online copy of Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum II, p. 100, no. 981 (the citation in Wikipedia for the passage about Beatrice) - https://archive.org/details/regestaregumangl02grea/page/100/mode/1up?q=%22de+vere%22 -
no mention of 1086, or 1104, that I saw.
Thank you for your explanation.
I am no expert on the crusades but Im learning. I did not know Aubrey de Vere, that is why I clicked on his profile. It s a beautiful profile and I read many things now. I like the history :). I read untill the birds started sjhilping. What I didn t like were all the commercial websides. History should be free for everyone I think. But parts were visable in the ODNB library. I don t have a lot of experience on the internet.
I do understand now why his birthday is on "about 1087" here. Because of his brother Geoffrey de Vere (about 1086 - bef. 1112) There seems to be no primary sources available on the internet about his birth date.
-The birth date of Aubrey de Vere is open (not known) in the ODNB library in the preview of the document (Or maybe if you pay, will it than be visable? :)).
-Geoffrey de Vere is "not known" in the ODNB library (I got the feeling his birth date is also earlier)
I think Aubrey de Vere II was born between 1076 and 1080 and Geoffrey de Vere between 1074 and 1079, something like that. Perhaps "find a grave" (in sources) is right about Aubrey s birth date: 1080. But I understand the problem with his older brother Geoffrey, he needs to be "a youth" when he recovered from an illness in 1104, suffered a relapse, and passed away (?). I don t understand the birth date - 1062 - of Aubrey II, on the stamtree of the "Complete Peerage by GE Cokayne".
I also think Aubrey went with his father on crusades, and I hope we find not commercial documents about that. Yesterday I watched a documentary about a young knight Tancred, I think it is the same person as the one on wikitree profile https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hauteville-42. According to this documentary he is 20 years old when he went crusading with his father, but it s on youtube, so I am not sure about this history yet. He was not allowed to do certain things because he was too young :). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqsnNUlx1gc&pp=ygUZZmlyc3QgY3J1c2FkZSBkb2N1bWVudGFyeQ%3D%3D
I know William of Tyre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Tyre wrote thing about the crusades, maybe he named the "de Vere family" in documents. I could not find a thing about the participation of the "de Vere family" in the crusades. in the ODBN library preview. I will go on searching with or without google :).
I like the copy of Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum II. It s a good document I think. The wife of Aubrey I - Beatrice - is named, and the donation as a historical happening.
Maybe there are something like church records in Abingdon Abbey, church of Kensington.
I m getting confused because the small window I write in and some noice
I find the history verry interesting. I got a lot of time coming days :) I hope we find more about the de Vere family
Greetings Richard
Cheers, Liz
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