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Aubrey de Vere (abt. 1087 - 1141)

Aubrey (Aubrey II) "Alberic" de Vere
Born about in Hedingham, Essex, Englandmap
Husband of — married 1102 in Suffolk, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 54 in London, Englandmap
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Biography

The House of De Vere crest.
Aubrey II de Vere is a member of the House of De Vere.
Lord Great Chamberlain of England
Aubrey II was in high favor with King Henry I, and by that monarch (on the occasion of his leaving England) was constituted, in 1133 at Fernham, as Great High Chamberlain of England - to hold the same in fee to himself and his heirs. He replaced Robert Malet, Lord of Eye in Suffolk, who had been banished and disinherited from that office.
The title given was meant to be hereditary and all subsequent holders of this office were his descendents. However, throughout the later middle ages, there were various periods when the de Vere family fell out of favor with the Crown, and didn't properly regain the LGC title until after Richard III's defeat at Bosworth Field.
Son and successor of Aubrey (Albericus) de Vere 'senior,' and Beatrice, Aubrey II, eldest son of Albericus, succeeded his father on his death.
While serving as joint sheriff of Surrey, Cambridge, Essex, and other counties, Alberic was slain during a popular uprising or riot in London on May 15, 1141. He was buried in Colne Priory. Aubrey II left four sons, Aubrey III, Robert, Geoffrey and William, and was succeeded by his eldest, Aubrey de Vere III.

Burial: indications are that he was buried in Colne Priory, Earls Colne, Braintree District, Essex, England with other de Vere family members. But years ago the de Vere family tombs were moved to St. Stephen's Chapel in Bures which is in Suffolk a few miles northeast of Earls Colne. Alton Rogers received an e-mail on February 29, 2008 from Robin King, Rector of Bures Parish Church who stated "The de Vere family memorials (tombs) are in St. Stephens Church, a mile from the centre of Bures village."

Timeline

1125: acting joint-sheriff of London
In 1125 Aubrey was made joint Sheriff of London. Together with Richard Basset, the two men held the shrievalty of eleven counties 'ut custodes' for the crown.
1180: in conjunction with Richard Basset, holding shrievalty of eleven counties 'ut custodes' for crown. ... indebted for an enormous sum to the crown for allowing a prisoner to escape, and for permission to resign the shrievalty of Essex and Hertfordshire.
Sep 1131: among magnates attending council of Northampton
1133: on the king leaving England for the last time, Aubrey was given at Fernham the office of great chamberlain for himself and his heirs.
1136: at Stephen's court as chamberlain early in the year , and was with him at Clarendon not long afterwards.
1139: Stephen had to defend his arrest of the bishops before a council. He selected Aubrey to advocate
William of Malmesbury describes Aubrey as 'causidicus' and practised in (legal) cases.
  • (unproven) 'chief justiciar of England.' Foss couldn't find proof. The states rests on an assertion by his son William's tract 'De miraculis S. Osythae' .

Family[1]

There has been much confusion as to Aubrey's marriage and children. By his wife Alice, daughter of Gilbert (Fitz Richard) de Clare -- who survived him twenty-two years, retiring as a widow to St. Osyth's Priory -- he left, besides Aubrey, his successor, 3 sons:
Geoffrey: 1142: promised by the empress the fief of Geoffrey Talbot, and who, afterwards marrying the widow of William Fitz Alan, held a Gloucestershire fief in her right, besides a Shropshire one in 1166
Robert: 1142: promised by the empress a 'barony' of equal value, and who held a small Northamptonshire fief in 1166
William: 1142: promised reversion to chancellorship, and was identical with the writer of the tract, a canon of St. Osyth's.
Of Aubrey's daughters:
Rohese m.1 Geoffrey, first earl of Essex [q.v.]; m.2 Payne de Beauchamp of Bedford
Alice m.1 Robert of Essex; m.2 Roger Fitz Richard of Warkworth.

Hedingham Castle

Aubrey II was responsible for building the great castle-keep at Hedingham. The Archbishop of Canterbury, William de Corbeuil, was his architect. The castle, which is the best preserved Norman keep in Europe, is faced with Ashlar stone, which was transported all the way from the quarries of Barnack in Northamptonshire.
This was a complex operation, of great expense to Aubrey, but it guaranteed that the castle could withstand all kinds of weather and considerable bombardment, as well as making it handsome and impressive to look at. Very few Norman Castles were faced with stone as at Hedingham; normally, only the doors and windows were faced with cut stone.

Tales of the First Crusade

Aubrey II participated in the First Crusade in 1098.
Legend has it that while Aubrey was fighting in the gruesome battle for Antioch against the troops of the Sultan of Persia's, the sky was darkening with the close of day, and there was confusion on the battlefield.
Just when the Saracens were taking advantage of the darkness, a brilliant five-pointed star appeared [either in the sky, or on the flag being carried by de Vere's men].
The battlefield was said to have been illuminated, and a great victory was won over the Sultan's troops. This apocryphal story is probably told in attempt to explain the unique heraldic symbol of the Vere line - the five pointed mullet star.
Alternately the single silver star on the Vere arms may represent the Star seen by the Magi, as described in the Gospels. The symbol is just as likely to derive from the spur, as the star, but in any case it is likely a remembrance of Aubrey II's involvement in the crusade to take back the Holy Land.[2]

Research Notes

Estimated Dates: "about 1087", based on his older brother Geoffrey's birth in 1086.[3] This c1087 birth year replaced the previous date of about "30 Jul 1082", which was from Jim Weber's website (see comments).

His Wikidata entry has the birth year of 1080, but no source for it.[4] Therefore, the Wikidata database error was marked as false.

A caution received when saving the changes notes that the "spouse's birth date (Clare-21 born 1093) should not be more than 80 years or less than 10 years before the marriage date (1102)." They could have been contracted to marry in 1102, which would not have been uncommon for the time. The text does not reference a source for the 1102 date; it may have been based on the previous birth year of 1082. The earliest birth year on profiles attached as children is 1110 (as of 18 February 2024), which works with both her birth in 1093 and his in 1087.

His Wikidata entry does not give a marriage year. For the marriage, it cites the Wikidata entry for Alice de Claire and his entry in thepeerage.com[4] - neither of which has a marriage year, although thepeerage.com gives his birth year as 1090, citing Cokayne:

  • G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume IX, page 585.
Note: I'll need to see if I can look it up, but if I recall, another source citing Cokayne had his birth "before 1090". ~ Noland-165, 18 February 2024
  • Genealogics has birth before 1090; text says "Aubrey was born before 1090, possibly around 1080, the eldest surviving son of Aubrey I de Vere and his wife Béatrice" (but not citing Cokayne).
  • MedLands has "[before 1090]" for birth also (no source; Cawley uses brackets to indicate uncertainty). It gives his death date as 15 May 1141.

His Wikidata entry has 15 May 1141 as his death date.[4] His Dictionary of National Biography entry has 9 May 1141.[1]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900, Volume 58: Vere, Aubrey de (d.1141) by John Horace Round - https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Vere,_Aubrey_de_(d.1141)
  2. Oxford Dictionary of National Biography
  3. As noted in the Wikipedia article for his father (accessed 18 February 2024), citing "Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum II, p. 100, no. 981".
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 Wikidata: Item Q434657 help.gif (accessed 18 February 2024).

See also:

  • John fitz Geoffrey, entry in the database Medieval Lands: A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families by Charles Cawley © Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, 2000-2017.
See also:
  • Medieval Lands, database online, author Charles Cawley, (Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, 2006-2013), England, Earls created 1138-1143, Chapter 9, Oxford: A. EARLS of OXFORD 1142-1526 (VERE) 2. Aubrey de Vere II
  • Phillips, Weber, Kirk and Staggs, Families of the Pacific Northwest, by Jim Weber, database online, rootsweb.com
  • Aubrey de Vere II, database online, (accessed 17 Dec 2014), Wikipedia, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License




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Aubrey de Vere was favoured by Henry I, and in 1133 was made Great High Chamberlain of England. While serving as joint sheriff of Surrey, Aubrey was slain during a riot in London on 15 May 1141. He was buried in Colne Priory.
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update - birth year changed to c1087 & added Research Notes

Hi! I'm trying to sort out dates for the Aubrey sons. Wikipedia and MedLands gives their birth order as Geoffrey, Aubrey, Roger, Robert, and William. Wikipedia gives 1086 as Geoffrey's birth year, which meshes with the account of the "youth" taking ill in 1104 (see his father's Wikipedia article). If no objection, I propose changing the birth datafield from the unsourced "about 1 Jul 1082" to just the year 1087.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
That is fine, Liz. The year 1087 seems too late if his son Aubrey's year of birth is correct. Please put the circa 30 Jul 1082 birth date under research notes. There may a reason for that specific date. I note that Jim Weber's now defunct website was a source, and he was known as a solid medieval researcher. Since Rootsweb shut down the trees on there, we have lost the information as to sources for Jim's data...
posted by Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
edited by Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
Thanks Darlene! I've made the change and added Research Notes.
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
I think someone should be at least 18 years old when you will join a crusade :). Aubrey de Vere (de Vere II) joined the first crusade in 1098. This wikipedia article about de Vere III says his father was born ca 1080: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_de_Vere_(ca._1110-1194)

Greetings Richard

posted by Richard Ameling
most sources that give a birth year say "before 1090". The image attached to this profile (the pedigree) says c1062.

I cannot access the ODNB article, but it seems to be the only source that this Aubrey participated in the First Crusade... the DNB article on him does not mention the Crusades.

This article says 21 for knights: https://kids.britannica.com/students/article/knighthood/275302

edited to remove the URL for the attached pedigree image, because it inserted the image itself

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Thank you for your reply Liz

I will sign up for the ODNB article later. I think if I sign up I can get acces. The same for "academia.edu". If he joined the 1 st crusades his birth date is not 1087 I think. He joined te crusades in 1098 according to this profile. I think the birth date about 1062 is better, but I do not know the source of the stamtree of the de Vere family. Also not the source of the "Medievel lands database", but this looks really nice.

I do not know I am the right person to help in this, according to wikitree standards. I only got a pre-1700 certificate.

Greetings Richard

posted by Richard Ameling
anyone can help - as you have already by posting comments.

1087 was because Aubrey's older brother was born 1086... or maybe I misinterpreted what Aubrey I's Wikipedia article was saying about Geoffrey's death/Beatrice being his mother & married to Aubrey I by 1086 (I read that to imply Geoffrey had been born in 1086). This puts him at 18 when he died. But if crusaders were knights, and knights were at least 21, and it was this Aubrey - younger brother of Geoffrey - who went on Crusade in 1098, then his [Aubrey's] birth year would have been 1077 or earlier, pushing his older brother Geoffrey's birth year to before that. And we hit the problem that Geoffrey was "a youth" when he died in 1104. If he was born before 1077, then he would have been at least 27 - not really a youth.

That Geoffrey died as a youth sometime "in or before 1104" is from Aubrey I's Wikipedia article, citing Cokayne:

  • Cokayne, George Edward (1945). The complete peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, Vol. 10 (5th ed.). pp. 194–195.

That Aubrey II "succeeded to his father's estates" when he "died circa 1112-1113" is also from Aubrey I's Wikipedia article, but without citations.

I'll be interested to see what source ODNB has for him going on Crusade in 1098.

I did find an online copy of Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum II, p. 100, no. 981 (the citation in Wikipedia for the passage about Beatrice) - https://archive.org/details/regestaregumangl02grea/page/100/mode/1up?q=%22de+vere%22 -

1111 [Mar. 25-Aug. 4.] Reading
Notification by Henry I generally addressed : Granting to St. Mary of Abingdon and St. Andrew of the daughter church of Colne, the gifts of Aubrey de Vere and his wife, Beatrice, and their son Aubrey and his brothers and their men, made to that church, ...

no mention of 1086, or 1104, that I saw.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
ps I also looked up the Cokayne citation to Vol 10 (1945) - see the FamilySearch link from this WikiTree source page, and it does say that Aubrey II, eldest surviving son of Aubrey & Beatrice, was "b. probably before 1090".
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Hello liz, I hope you are fine.

Thank you for your explanation.

I am no expert on the crusades but Im learning. I did not know Aubrey de Vere, that is why I clicked on his profile. It s a beautiful profile and I read many things now. I like the history :). I read untill the birds started sjhilping. What I didn t like were all the commercial websides. History should be free for everyone I think. But parts were visable in the ODNB library. I don t have a lot of experience on the internet.

I do understand now why his birthday is on "about 1087" here. Because of his brother Geoffrey de Vere (about 1086 - bef. 1112) There seems to be no primary sources available on the internet about his birth date.

-The birth date of Aubrey de Vere is open (not known) in the ODNB library in the preview of the document (Or maybe if you pay, will it than be visable? :)).

-Geoffrey de Vere is "not known" in the ODNB library (I got the feeling his birth date is also earlier)

I think Aubrey de Vere II was born between 1076 and 1080 and Geoffrey de Vere between 1074 and 1079, something like that. Perhaps "find a grave" (in sources) is right about Aubrey s birth date: 1080. But I understand the problem with his older brother Geoffrey, he needs to be "a youth" when he recovered from an illness in 1104, suffered a relapse, and passed away (?). I don t understand the birth date - 1062 - of Aubrey II, on the stamtree of the "Complete Peerage by GE Cokayne".

I also think Aubrey went with his father on crusades, and I hope we find not commercial documents about that. Yesterday I watched a documentary about a young knight Tancred, I think it is the same person as the one on wikitree profile https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hauteville-42. According to this documentary he is 20 years old when he went crusading with his father, but it s on youtube, so I am not sure about this history yet. He was not allowed to do certain things because he was too young :). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqsnNUlx1gc&pp=ygUZZmlyc3QgY3J1c2FkZSBkb2N1bWVudGFyeQ%3D%3D

I know William of Tyre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Tyre wrote thing about the crusades, maybe he named the "de Vere family" in documents. I could not find a thing about the participation of the "de Vere family" in the crusades. in the ODBN library preview. I will go on searching with or without google :).

I like the copy of Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum II. It s a good document I think. The wife of Aubrey I - Beatrice - is named, and the donation as a historical happening.

Maybe there are something like church records in Abingdon Abbey, church of Kensington.

I m getting confused because the small window I write in and some noice

I find the history verry interesting. I got a lot of time coming days :) I hope we find more about the de Vere family

Greetings Richard

posted by Richard Ameling
edited by Richard Ameling
Thanks for looking! (And yes, it's amazing how much I've learned about history since joining WikiTree and researching my ancestors - from the history of Virginia & the Great Wagon Road to Huguenots and English history).

Cheers, Liz

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Interesting TIME TEAM episode on the De Vere's and the archeology of their estate / priory in Essex.

See here: Time Team S19-E07 The Only Earl Is Essex

posted by DK Clews

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